(January 31, 2023 at 10:31 am)Leonardo17 Wrote: Biden is not sending F-16’s for now. But Poland, the Netherlands, France + other East European countries have agreed to send F-16’s with the condition of not attacking Russian targets in Russia (France). The training of Ukrainian pilots on this planes is likely to take 6 months. So this means August for Russian troops. Poland has admitted it has given Migs to the Ukrainians in secret (so have other east-European nations since the beginning of the war in February).
 
Poland is sending about 50 modern Polish design tanks to Ukraine. US + Netherlands are sending modernized Soviet tanks to Ukraine (I don’t know how they did this but it must be ingenious putting new components into Tanks from the 80’s).

Full Article: https://www.yahoo.com/news/hundreds-armo...09939.html

İmage on the difference between The Abrams and the Leopard (As I said, German is simply better   )

 

The Polish trainers say that training time for the Leopards will be cut to 5 weeks. 

It's a good thing the Ukrainians are super-duper invincible soldiers, because that would be considered inadequate for any other human being.

Here's a column by Chris Hedges. He used to be the chief foreign correspondent for the New York Times, but was fired by them for telling the truth in the build-up to the war in Afghanistan. (Everything he said turned out to be true.)

https://chrishedges.substack.com/p/ukrai...went-wrong

Quote:The Polish trainers say that training time for the Leopards will be cut to 5 weeks. 

Cool if actual people training them to think that's all they require who are you to say otherwise?

Quote:It's a good thing the Ukrainians are super-duper invincible soldiers, because that would be considered inadequate for any other human being.

No one said they're invincible. But it's clear the Polish trainers think they can handle it.

Further supported by the following
https://news.yahoo.com/poland-hopes-redu...00650.html

https://kyivindependent.com/news-feed/re...to-5-weeks

https://english.nv.ua/nation/poland-hope...01221.html

Just because Chris Hedges was right about Afghanistan means nothing about whether he's right about Ukraine. That's a non sequitur plain and simple. Also, Chriss Hedges has worked for RT so that kills his credibility right there.

https://therussianreader.com/2017/09/07/...-putinism/

I don't think the training time for the new tanks will be as short as the Poles say. There's three different types, with all that implies for logistics as well as training. That doesn't mean this is not a good move. It does mean that UAF had better have some hustle.

Bel had better hope his Russkis get cracking on this winter offensive supposed to be up their sleeves. Well see what the weather gods have to say about that.

Both sides are racing against the weather and each other. Every day of delay favors the defense. Digging in experienced troops is easier than training raw conscripts. We'll see soon.

Frankly, i don't think Russia has the time to build up its forces again for another offensive. I think they have overextended themselves trying to take Soledar but they can't seem like they aren't overextended due to the loss of face that would be considering the huge losses they took capturing it.

(January 31, 2023 at 11:34 pm)Helios Wrote: Frankly, i don't think Russia has the time to build up its forces again for another offensive. I think they have overextended themselves trying to take Soledar but they can't seem like they aren't overextended due to the loss of face that would be considering the huge losses they took capturing it.

As much as I'd like to agree with you, I think there's another human wave or two coming. News has been, on the backburner, about conscripts training in Belorus. I don't think that will get much Russian steamrolling going on, but all the same UAF frontline troops will have to fight them off.

I suspect that both sides are piecemealing forces into the Bakhmut region in order to build up reserves for planned offensives, and it's a race to see who feels the jump-off point first -- and do they go too soon or too late?

At this stage, after the clear Ukrainian victories in the autumn, it looks to me like both sides are trying to angle for advantage. The Ukrainians have to race against large, untrained forces assaulting them, and the Russians have to race against inflowing supplies of armor and ammo.

I think the leadership, both theater and small-unit, will make the difference, and I think the Ukrainians have the advantage in both aspects. But both sides are tired and husbanding units, is my sense, for what that's worth. I think the Russians will launch poorly-trained mass waves trying to get ahead of the recent decision to supply about an armored division's worth of tanks.

(February 1, 2023 at 12:07 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(January 31, 2023 at 11:34 pm)Helios Wrote: Frankly, i don't think Russia has the time to build up its forces again for another offensive. I think they have overextended themselves trying to take Soledar but they can't seem like they aren't overextended due to the loss of face that would be considering the huge losses they took capturing it.

As much as I'd like to agree with you, I think there's another human wave or two coming. News has been, on the backburner, about conscripts training in Belorus. I don't think that will get much Russian steamrolling going on, but all the same UAF frontline troops will have to fight them off.

I suspect that both sides are piecemealing forces into the Bakhmut region in order to build up reserves for planned offensives, and it's a race to see who feels the jump-off point first -- and do they go too soon or too late?

At this stage, after the clear Ukrainian victories in the autumn, it looks to me like both sides are trying to angle for advantage. The Ukrainians have to race against large, untrained forces assaulting them, and the Russians have to race against inflowing supplies of armor and ammo.

I think the leadership, both theater and small-unit, will make the difference, and I think the Ukrainians have the advantage in both aspects. But both sides are tired and husbanding units, is my sense, for what that's worth.

All excellent points. But I just don't think the Russians have it in them. I'm sure they will take what forces they can muster and launch an attack but I don't think it will be a large-scale offensive nor do I think the Russians have the patience to wait for the recruits I honestly think Putin is going to try and use the propaganda victory of Soledar for a push soon because he knows he's also running the clock of the goodwill he's gotten at home over it and doesn't want it fading too quickly. This fits his pattern of short-term political gain even if it costs him in the long run military losses after all he has plenty of generals he can scapegoat for his failures. But those are just my thoughts.

(January 31, 2023 at 9:38 pm)Belacqua Wrote: Here's a column by Chris Hedges. He used to be the chief foreign correspondent for the New York Times, but was fired by them for telling the truth in the build-up to the war in Afghanistan. (Everything he said turned out to be true.)

https://chrishedges.substack.com/p/ukrai...went-wrong

Well...it's good that everything he said in the lead-up to afghanistan tracked......so you just know he's an expert on ukraine!

You're a clown.

(February 1, 2023 at 12:07 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: I suspect that both sides are piecemealing forces into the Bakhmut region in order to build up reserves for planned offensives

Absolutely, it's a cauldron.