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RE: Russia and Ukraine
March 20, 2023 at 9:39 am
(March 20, 2023 at 9:35 am)Deesse23 Wrote: (March 20, 2023 at 8:12 am)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: Says the guy with a Ukrainian flag and not the flag of an African nation in conflict in his sig instead. Why don't you care about that African nation? Sociopathy? Two can play at this game, and it's lame.
Which african nation currently is invaded by another african nation?
.....Come on
....Stop googling Note that civil wars are still awful and repressive governments that wage wars on their own population without justification are to be condemned.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
March 20, 2023 at 11:20 am
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What have we learned? Invading neighbors is a moral imperative. Defending yourself is Double Plus Ungood Warmongering. AFRICA11!111!!
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
March 20, 2023 at 11:31 am
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(March 19, 2023 at 11:55 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Please cite your sources for your claims, with reputable links, and explain why you're red-herringing this by bringing in an entirely unrelated American murder case as evidence that you're somehow right here.
I wanted to grab this one, not to speak to IA's compulsions, but the russian admin - though I think one explanation can do double duty here. To people who have sunk much into one lunatic claim after another - each new lunatic claim represents opportunity to relitigate every past embarrassment or disaster. The validation of one is sufficient to validate them all. Thus, russia must declare victory over the rubble of bakhmut, capital of ukraine, after having denazified it.
Then... then...people will start taking them seriously.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
March 21, 2023 at 5:13 am
(March 19, 2023 at 10:20 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: (March 19, 2023 at 8:30 am)Leonardo17 Wrote: I think this makes the threat more real than less real. And I think China and India’s role on that might be crucial. The shorter this war drags on the less chance for a nuclear accident of that sort.
Russia has its hands full with Ukraine. Why should they want to widen the war to a nuclear exchange in which there will be no winner, only losers?
(March 19, 2023 at 8:32 am)Leonardo17 Wrote: + I don’t like this new arms race between the West and China either. I think we should be focusing our efforts on our energy transition rather than on a new cold-war with China.
Right, I'd rather not spend money on weapons if we could afford not to ... but given China's flexing of muscle in the waters off Southeast Asia, not to mention is increased military intimidation of Taiwan, makes me doubt whether a cold war is avoidable.
(March 19, 2023 at 8:32 am)Leonardo17 Wrote:
So if Xi is clever enough to see these things (I think his predecessors would have seen it) there might be a change for the better within one year or so. If not, I personally am not sure where this will lead us either 
Xi's certainly clever enough to see that. It's just whether or not that fits in with his aims.
(March 19, 2023 at 8:32 am)Leonardo17 Wrote: Israel’s hands are tied because of the Russian military presence is Syria
+ They are facing an internal political crisis
+ No one knows what they are going to do if Iran pushes it’s nuclear ambitions even further.
I suspect that this news was floated in the hopes of distracting the public from the demonstrations about their courts.
1) I agree with that too. But we don’t want any accident. We want to reduce the chances as much as we can.
2) Antonio Guiteres made a very nice speech yesterday. We are moving fast toward missing the 1.5 C goal that was set in the COP 25 Paris Climate Conference. And again yesterday, Xi seemed to back Putin’s policies rather than criticize it. But I have to be hopeful. This is about being rational. If Xi is not rational this is a bad sign for China too. Because China is not a self-sufficient nation in terms of agriculture. They won’t be able to feed their population if we go too much above the 1.5 Degree limit. This is science. So let’s wait and see.
3) It doesn’t. China is too reliant on trade relations with the rest of the world. So I think it’s something different this time. Still: He is talking about “world domination” by 2050. This still sounds like the words of madman. So we don’t know and everybody is watching. 
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
March 21, 2023 at 5:32 am
(March 19, 2023 at 5:54 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: (March 19, 2023 at 4:38 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Egregious misunderstanding seems to be your superpower.
You seem to have forgotten that Ukraine's demand or the return of all conquered areas including Crimea would be a condition for these talks to succeed. The certainly knew such a condition would be rejected by the Russians.
Your attempt to deny Ukrainian agency dovetails nicely with Kremlin talking-points, though.
No, the peace deal Zelenski was negotiating would not have given Crimea back to Ukraine. That is a more recent position by Ukraine, that they must have Crimea back. The original peace deal would have actually taken even more land than that from Ukraine, and Ukraine would have promised not to join NATO. That was the deal on the table at the time, and reports say it was most likely going to go forward, until the British PM showed up for the meeting with Z.
But again, we're looping by continuing to go over that. No one here is disputing that the deal would have been highly likely to fail and fold. The debate the past few pages has been how we know what's true, and showing that we will never know much about the going ons of the world if we have no ability to read between the lines. Casey Anthony was involved in the death of her damn child, and I don't even need to know how the child died (bc the evidence was washed away) to read between the lines. What's crystal clear is crystal clear. As jury foreperson, however, would I have voted to convict Casey Anthony for murder? Nope. We don't even have evidence of how the child died, so I can't be sure beyond a reasonable doubt that a murder even took place. Could have been an accidental drowning or whatever. Like the killing of Kayley Anthony, can I provide a transcript of all that was said in the meeting between the British PM and Zelenski? Nope. But I can read between the lines, and me pointing out the obvious at the time has now been confirmed by the Israeli PM.
And I think we are doing plenty here in Canada for Ukrainians by taking thousands of them in and giving them safe haven. That is not nothing. In my city, there are more Ukrainians now I think here than there are in any other town outside of Ukraine. We're becoming a little mini-Ukraine here and it's cool to see it. I'm happy for these lovely folks. I don't need to back their war and show up at their protests against Putin to prove that I care about them, however. A Muslim family was run over by a radicalized person in my city as well, and that's sad as hell, but sadly I can not stand with the Muslim community here when they are throwing protests and now trying to change the laws to make laws to fight Islamophobia and trying to clamp down on speech (thankfully it's been voted down thus far), but I will support them as a people nonetheless and invite more and more of them in as refugees, even though I think they're very wrong on this issue.
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That’s a totally different issue. Both Ukrainians and Russians migrated a lot in recent years to wherever they could. The same happened with Syrians after 2010. France took about 10,000 of them ( a totally symbolic gesture). Germany took 1 million. Poland took about 1,5 million Ukrainians. Germans took another 1,2 million. This is just the ugly face of war. The main issue is infrastructure and good follow-ups of there migrations. These people have to be registered, helped, integrated and sent back as soon as possible. Besides I thought Canada lacked a lot of workforce in many areas, so this should not harm you a lot
The main problem here is that Russia is not just some authoritarian state like China. They are completely insane. Look at this article:
yahoo.com/news/ukrainian-soldier-wondered-russians-advancing-204032070.html
They take inmates in prisons. They train them for 3 weeks. They give them drugs that were invented by Nazis to make them completely fearless. And they send them on bullets to a certain death. The life expectancy of a Wagner soldier on the front is estimated to be 4 hours.
This is a technique that was used by Stalin in WWII to wear off Nazi troops. They would send waves of soldiers without riffles just to make them give up. But you don’t do that in modern warfare. Not in the 21st century. This is not an existential war for Russia. This is a war of invasion. So these techniques of war were not even used on Afghans during the Soviet invasion in the 70’s.
So something is going on in Moscow. There is a guy Guiliano Empoli who just published a book called “The Wizard of the Kremlin” in which he is talking about the inner circles of Vladimir Putin. I didn’t read that book but I know it’s something like that.
See: You don’t just waste your soldiers in a war like that. A normal military leader does not just drug his soldiers and send them to a certain death. That’s not how army works. So again question mark. 
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
March 21, 2023 at 5:39 am
(March 19, 2023 at 9:09 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: (March 19, 2023 at 6:44 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (Bold mine)
When you were a kid and the bullies at school took your lunch money, did you offer to give them extra money?
Boru
Zelenski was the one looking for that peace deal and just about willing to give those things up, so you'd have to ask him. I can't read his mind.
If my friend is getting beaten up in the school yard or getting his lunch money taken, I'm going to step in and try to stop it. If someone across the ocean is getting their lunch money taken, I'm not necessarily going to step in, because the world is a harsh place, and then you die.
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I think Zellensky is still ready for peace. I don’t think this will happen. But if China was to step up and say… In fact he did. He had a peace plan that was very favorable to Russia (yesterday). And Putin said he didn’t want it. While Zellensky said he was ready to hear China’s proposal.
So no: Putin has been out of control for a while. He was so even before the annexation of Crimea. And even before the Arab spring + the war in Syria. The man is a spy and Joe Biden said that “he didn’t have a soul”. In fact we don’t even know who he is. I personally believe he might even be some sort of puppet working for some mad mafia-like Russian oligarch behind the scenes.
So on a most optimist level: He is a destabilizing element for Europe + the rest of the world (I mean his entire regime). So I am OK with peace plans, but there has to be a solution to this. And I am like Zellensky: If China has any idea on how to solve that, I’m in
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
March 21, 2023 at 5:50 am
(March 20, 2023 at 1:33 am)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/r...-joly-says
Canada says they are bringing regime change to Moscow, if they have it their way lol. Good one, Canada.
Yes. I explained you the reason this. This regime is totally F.ed up. Despite all their propaganda and disinformation policies. I think they are fools and there has to be some sort of solution to that.
You know there is also the economic aspect. Russia was a huge trade partner to Europe + the Middle east let’s say before 2010 / 2015. It was a growing commercial hub for everyone. But the man just had to take the Donbass. He really had to. So I don’t know how this can work.
On WWII: We are just just tired of hearing this threat since he decided to intervene to save Bashar Asad in 2010. Syrian Regime-friendly people would just smile to the camera and say: “The US can’t attack us because they won’t start WW3”. So people grow tired of hearing that too. This is like someone who found the solution to all his problems. I mean, I really don’t know
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
March 21, 2023 at 9:25 am
WW3, lol. Russia has it's hands full invading a country the size of texas. It's day 392 of a three day war and russia is still struggling, mightily, to attempt to occupy two counties worth of territory with it's entire military committed.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
March 22, 2023 at 5:36 am
(March 21, 2023 at 9:25 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: WW3, lol. Russia has it's hands full invading a country the size of texas. It's day 392 of a three day war and russia is still struggling, mightily, to attempt to occupy two counties worth of territory with it's entire military committed.
As unlikely as it may seem, the WWIII issue is not Russia vs The World, it's whatever countries join Russia, like China and India, African countries and South American.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
March 22, 2023 at 6:26 am
(March 21, 2023 at 9:25 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: WW3, lol. Russia has it's hands full invading a country the size of texas. It's day 392 of a three day war and russia is still struggling, mightily, to attempt to occupy two counties worth of territory with it's entire military committed.
… And they are not going to take Bakhmut. Ukrainian Sources say it is not going to happen.
But there is on issue I happen to agree with Russians:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-blasts...00263.html
The UK is planning to send tank shells with enriched Uranium. I don’t agree with that because
1) This would give Russians a reason to use phosphorus bombs / chemical weapons etc.
2) These shells can harm Ukrainian soldiers and will be used on Ukrainian land. So in 20 years half of us may end up eating radioactive grains and cereals because of this.
I’ve heard that Ukrainian pilots were able to learn how to use F-16’s in as soon as 6 months. So I would give something else instead. I don’t believe radioactive tank shells should be used in this or any other conflict.
+ Russian tanks are said to be falling apart by themselves anyway. So I think this is completely unnecessary
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