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Serious question about thoughts on theists
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 (May 18, 2023 at 6:04 am)emjay Wrote:I was just teasing.(May 18, 2023 at 5:33 am)Belacqua Wrote: Well, clearly the propagandists have to work harder on you! The fact that you aren't saying "thank you for forcing me" shows that you haven't been brainwashed!  RE: Serious question about thoughts on theists
May 18, 2023 at 6:28 am
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(May 18, 2023 at 6:18 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Well, there's two kinds of rebel messaging. One is over the top absurdism. It's meant to be off and make you laugh. It sticks with you. The other is the breathless kind that means it. Like maga merch. Imma go out on a limb and assume that beard oil merchants aren't recruiting. Yeah, no, it wasn't revolution in any nefarious sense... just revolution in the sense 'we've got an amazing new product that's gonna take the world by storm' sort of thing... but was still imo total overkill and offputting, though that sort of deliberate branding, is sometimes more successful... just rarely with people like me; for instance I don't care about labels etc (though I did much more when I was younger... now I'm just practical in my choice of clothes etc)
It was successful with people like you. You just told us about it. Food for thought.
Advertising is not a moral proposition, though they would be fools not to (legitimately) advertise to our moral sensibilities. The beard oil isn't a great example of moral information - but the entire market for green products is. They're not selling cabbage, or soap, they're selling environmentalism.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
(May 18, 2023 at 6:35 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: It was successful with people like you. You just told us about it. Food for thought. Yeah, it was... and it still is in some areas... just much less in the realm of fashion for me... I didn't mean to imply I thought I was immune to it, I'm certainly not, it's just good when it sticks it's head a bit too far above the parapet, and becomes obvious. Another example is Pepsi. For as long as I can remember, it's been trying to associate itself with football in the UK, but I couldn't give a toss about football, but just love(d) Pepsi in it's own right, so this was a case of that overkill marketing washing over my head in a different way... in the sense of 'you had me at the great taste... you don't need to bother with all this other crap' 
RE: Serious question about thoughts on theists
May 18, 2023 at 6:57 am
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Pepsi!?! I knew something about you was off....I bet you're the kind of person who rips off pillow tags and switches out the colors in boxes of hair dye.
Can you think of any moral marketing campaign you found morally cringey, and what does that..the simple and apparent experience of moral dissonance, suggest about the accuracy of assertions that our moral propositions are derived from ad copy, in your opinion?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
(May 18, 2023 at 6:57 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Pepsi!?! I knew something about you was off....I bet you're the kind of person who rips off pillow tags and switches out the colors in boxes of hair dye. Don't tell me you're a Coke person?!? I may have to rethink who I have as role models here  J/K. Explain to me how Diet Coke is utterly tasteless, marginally better than drinking water, yet with the same listed ingredients (I checked), Coke Zero tastes much better. The cynic in me thinks it's designed to taste awful in Diet Coke, to associate it with dieting, whereas Coke Zero is not really marketed as a dieting product, but just a sugarless one, so it's 'allowed' to still taste nice (just not as nice as Pepsi Max ).Not off the top of my head no, I'm sorry to say, can you give an example? RE: Serious question about thoughts on theists
May 18, 2023 at 8:03 am
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(May 18, 2023 at 7:14 am)emjay Wrote: Don't tell me you're a Coke person?!? I may have to rethink who I have as role models hereThey're talented chemists? Quote:Not off the top of my head no, I'm sorry to say, can you give an example?Military recruitment ads have to be top of mind. They cleanly fit the moralizing requirement, and are....at least in my experience, uniformly cringey. Ads for trucks, often enough, too. All the "real america/americans heeeere in the Heartland™" bullshit, the passive aggressive gags about still working for a living and still knowing how to get shit done. Something must have gone terribly awry in the capitalist moral command conspiracy machine if a uniform wearing ford owner sees their ads and thinks "wtf...?"
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
 (May 18, 2023 at 6:57 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Pepsi!?! I knew something about you was off....I bet you're the kind of person who rips off pillow tags and switches out the colors in boxes of hair dye. Hey now! Pepsi paid my mortgage as husband worked there for over 20 years. Son has recently hit the 16 year mark. “If you are the smartest person in the room, then you are in the wrong room.” — Confucius (May 18, 2023 at 8:03 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote:(May 18, 2023 at 7:14 am)emjay Wrote: Don't tell me you're a Coke person?!? I may have to rethink who I have as role models hereThey're talented chemists? Sorry, that question somehow morphed from a how to a why Quote:Quote:Not off the top of my head no, I'm sorry to say, can you give an example?Military recruitment ads have to be top of mind. They cleanly fit the moralizing requirement, and are....at least in my experience, uniformly cringey. Ads for trucks, often enough, too. All the "real america/americans heeeere in the Heartland™" bullshit, the passive aggressive gags about still working for a living and still knowing how to get shit done. Be the best you can be sort of thing you mean? Other than that though again the only examples that are coming to mind are less so... like Gillette - the best a man can get... again not moralising so much as masculine-ising But I see where you're coming from.
(May 18, 2023 at 8:35 am)arewethereyet Wrote:(May 18, 2023 at 6:57 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Pepsi!?! I knew something about you was off....I bet you're the kind of person who rips off pillow tags and switches out the colors in boxes of hair dye. Well you can thank them from me Though I don't drink the stuff any more, for the sake of my teeth, I used to pretty much live on it, so in a way I've probably helped pay your mortgage a bit too... you're welcome
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...I'm not saying I think I'm anything special; I think a lot of people feel this way.
