Every time a theist creates an abortion thread, another baby ends up in a stew pot.

There's something abhorrent to me about a man, who will NEVER have to carry a child, who thinks he can dictate the rules of pregnancy.

If men could get pregnant - the laws would change again in a hurry. And kids would be only children because no man would go through it twice.

(July 11, 2023 at 12:08 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: There's something abhorrent to me about a man, who will NEVER have to carry a child, who thinks he can dictate the rules of pregnancy.

If men could get pregnant - the laws would change again in a hurry. And kids would be only children because no man would go through it twice.

Male pregnancy is a huge concept in gay fiction.

Pacellis role with regard to the NS regime can be described as "problematic", at best (Reichskonkordat and, being a cardinal, not informing his predecessor about the situation in Germany from 1933-39). As much as he tried to act post 1939 as Pope, as much did he not act until 1939.

Unlike topics irrelevant to the thread title, like the papacy and the NS regime, please note how NX avoids answering questions directly related to his original claim: What is the necessary punishment for abortion?

(July 11, 2023 at 12:10 pm)Tomato Wrote:

(July 11, 2023 at 12:08 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: There's something abhorrent to me about a man, who will NEVER have to carry a child, who thinks he can dictate the rules of pregnancy.

If men could get pregnant - the laws would change again in a hurry.  And kids would be only children because no man would go through it twice.

Male pregnancy is a huge concept in gay fiction.

Buncha damn masochists.  

In my experience, pregnancy is no fun...and it was unfun in three different ways...each bringing it's own kind of hell.  Nearly died with the last one...part of the reason he was the last one.

(July 11, 2023 at 11:39 am)Nishant Xavier Wrote: the Catholic Church saved nearly 1 MN Jews during the Holocaust; Lapide puts the number at 860,000 - Jewish Lives Saved I.e. - by the Catholic Church under Pope Ven. Pius XII in the Nazi Period.

That is off-topic, so you are trolling.

When it comes to Pope's supposed help with the Jews it was pathetic. He did not do anything when Jews from Rome were eradicated. Pope's silence during ww2 was deadly. He should have forbidden Catholics to kill Jews since Germans were Catholics, but he didn't. There is a Costa-Gavras movie called Amen (2002) based on real events where some people were some Nazi attempted to notify Pope Pius XII about the gassings but is appalled by the lack of response he gets from the Catholic hierarchy. Just a vague condemnation of Hitler and Nazi Germany.

There is even a scene when he arrives and the Germans are taking control of Rome and begin rounding up the Italian Jews to be sent to the death camps. He begs the Pope to force the Germans to stop the deportation by appearing at the train station in person but the Pope refuses.

Or read this part from a book called "God's Bankers: A History of Money and Power at the Vatican" that I especially find bone-chilling

Quote:The Vatican faced a unique challenge in Croatia since priests partly ran the murder machinery. Sarajevo’s Bishop Ivan Sarić—later dubbed the “Hangman of the Serbs”—told the faithful that the elimination of Jews was a “renewal of human dignity.” Catholic priests served in Pavelić’s private bodyguard. A Franciscan monk, Miroslav Filipović-Majstorović, earned the moniker the “Devil of Jasenovac,” a concentration camp where forty thousand Jews and Serbs were slaughtered. Three Franciscan monks—also Ustašan officers—served as the Devil’s deputies. Father Bozidas Bralo, Sarajevo’s chief of security, was responsible for enforcing the country’s anti-Semitic legislation. And a popular priest, Father Dyonisy Juricev, wrote in a leading newspaper that it was no longer a sin to kill Serbs or Jews so long as they were at least seven years old. The role played by clerics in the killings helped absolve ordinary Catholics from being afflicted by a troubled conscience.

So did the pope at least condemn Bishop Ivan Sarić? Or maybe excommunicated him? Hell, no. Pope even gave him a nice castle in Spain to live in so that people seeking justice don't bother him.

No, I'm not trolling; if that's trolling, then you're trolling even more, because you're bringing up even more irrelevant details. Someone, I think it was Valkyrie, first mentioned Hitler; that's how the discussion turned and that's how discussions proceed. Then the poster Paleophyte, to whose post I responded - whose name you didn't mention in your snip - asked about the Pope and Hitler, so I engaged with that. Lol, look at some of you Militant Atheists trying to game the discussion: there are already some 10 or so on your "team", Atheists, and maybe just 1 or 2 of us, Christians, like Bel and myself and most of the time. I also try to respond to every one who asks a question reasonably, but I dont have to accept any additional constraints from you, a non-Admin, unless the rules of the forum require it.

To Deese: I already answered your question. Go back and read it.

And look, we understand Abortion is difficult issue, particularly for Women. Yet, it is also True that many Pro-Life Leaders are Women, Lila Rose for e.g. some of these women Pro Life Leaders were even former Abortionists, I.e. Abortion Doctors, so they had experience with Abortion first hand, then rejected it. We are for Love, Compassion, Patience and Understanding - Love Both Woman and Child - and we will patiently wait till a Young Pro-Life Generation grows up and turns the tide, as there are signs everywhere is already beginning to happen, in this technological age where ultrasounds (my Mother is an Ultra-Sound Doctor; firmly Pro-Life, like me) etc have clearly proven that Little Babies in the Womb both look like Little Babies, as they are (not going to dehumanize them as some of you proaborts do, sorry - Babies cannot be Babies when they are tragically lost in miscarriages, yet not be Babies when they are coldly killed in Abortion; Babies are Babies, sorry), have Beating Hearts, can experience or feel pain from an early stage etc.

May God have Mercy on us all.

(July 11, 2023 at 1:12 pm)Nishant Xavier Wrote: No, I'm not trolling; if that's trolling, then you're trolling even more, because you're bringing up even more irrelevant details. Someone, I think it was Valkyrie, first mentioned Hitler; that's how the discussion turned and that's how discussions proceed. Then the poster Paleophyte, to whose post I responded - whose name you didn't mention in your snip - asked about the Pope and Hitler, so I engaged with that. Lol, look at some of you Militant Atheists trying to game the discussion: there are already some 10 or so on your "team", Atheists, and maybe just 1 or 2 of us, Christians, like Bel and myself and most of the time. I also try to respond to every one who asks a question reasonably, but I dont have to accept any additional constraints from you, a non-Admin, unless the rules of the forum require it.

To Deese: I already answered your question. Go back and read it.

And look, we understand Abortion is difficult issue, particularly for Women. Yet, it is also True that many Pro-Life Leaders are Women, Lila Rose for e.g. some of these women Pro Life Leaders were even former Abortionists, I.e. Abortion Doctors, so they had experience with Abortion first hand, then rejected it. We are for Love, Compassion, Patience and Understanding - Love Both Woman and Child - and we will patiently wait till a Young Pro-Life Generation grows up and turns the tide, as there are signs everywhere is already beginning to happen, in this technological age where ultrasounds (my Mother is an Ultra-Sound Doctor; firmly Pro-Life, like me) etc have clearly proven that Little Babies in the Womb both look like Little Babies, as they are (not going to dehumanize them as some of you proaborts do, sorry - Babies cannot be Babies when they are tragically lost in miscarriages, yet not be Babies when they are coldly killed in Abortion; Babies are Babies, sorry), have Beating Hearts, can experience or feel pain from an early stage etc.

May God have Mercy on us all.

You're on an atheist site, spouting your Catholic views. Why would you ever think anyone here gives two shits about Catholic views, or your views ?
That's trolling. And you are totally delusional.
Termination of unwanted pregnancies is here to stay. 
Fetuses and embryos are not "babies" as much as delusional people may want to LIE about it.  
The fetuses and embryos of most other mammals and all sorts of other animals resemble "babies".
How ignorant are you ?
That they may resemble "babies" does not make fetuses a "baby". 
No one here cares what you post. Babies are fetuses that are BORN. 
Get lost with this worthless childish crap. Do parents say "we're expecting a baby, and mean "Oh we're having an embryo" ? LMAO

(July 11, 2023 at 1:12 pm)Nishant Xavier Wrote: No, I'm not trolling; if that's trolling, then you're trolling even more, because you're bringing up even more irrelevant details. Someone, I think it was Valkyrie, first mentioned Hitler; that's how the discussion turned and that's how discussions proceed. Then the poster Paleophyte, to whose post I responded - whose name you didn't mention in your snip - asked about the Pope and Hitler, so I engaged with that. Lol, look at some of you Militant Atheists trying to game the discussion: there are already some 10 or so on your "team", Atheists, and maybe just 1 or 2 of us, Christians, like Bel and myself and most of the time. I also try to respond to every one who asks a question reasonably, but I dont have to accept any additional constraints from you, a non-Admin, unless the rules of the forum require it.

To Deese: I already answered your question. Go back and read it.

And look, we understand Abortion is difficult issue, particularly for Women. Yet, it is also True that many Pro-Life Leaders are Women, Lila Rose for e.g. some of these women Pro Life Leaders were even former Abortionists, I.e. Abortion Doctors, so they had experience with Abortion first hand, then rejected it. We are for Love, Compassion, Patience and Understanding - Love Both Woman and Child - and we will patiently wait till a Young Pro-Life Generation grows up and turns the tide, as there are signs everywhere is already beginning to happen, in this technological age where ultrasounds (my Mother is an Ultra-Sound Doctor; firmly Pro-Life, like me) etc have clearly proven that Little Babies in the Womb both look like Little Babies, as they are (not going to dehumanize them as some of you proaborts do, sorry - Babies cannot be Babies when they are tragically lost in miscarriages, yet not be Babies when they are coldly killed in Abortion; Babies are Babies, sorry), have Beating Hearts, can experience or feel pain from an early stage etc.

May God have Mercy on us all.

Do the souls of the aborted fetus go straight to heaven to be with Jesus for all eternity?

Never to be judged?

Never a chance to piss off yahweh who will send that soul to hell?


Serious question and I’d really like to know what you think X

It will never respond to you h4ym4n. Your questions are not in its liitte book of plays. Nowhere in its script accounts for such inquiries. It cannot think for itself. So it will ignore you. It is also quite cowardly.