Is he still going on about how he wants to force women to remain pregnant against their will essentially reducing them to second class citizens and then trying to use the excuse some women are fine being treated as less as an excuse?

Yes, I know its an Atheist Forum. I read and then reread the rules recently to make sure I'm not in contravention of them. Here's the excerpt from the rules: "The forums were created for the purpose of providing friendly discussion and debate between atheists and other like-minded individuals, as well as theists. Theists are more than welcome to join and enter into discussions, but please bear in mind the nature of this community when entering into a discussion.

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Hymnal, Apologies for not addressing your post earlier.

To your question, it is a deep one: they go to Limbo, as St. Thomas states, which is a place of Perfect Natural Happiness, although deprived of the Beatific Vision and the Super-Natural Joys of Heaven itself. Beyond that, Catholic Theologians have different opinions, and I will give you my own based on my reading and thinking about it; if the Parent of the Child regrets the child's death and prays for the child to receive the Grace of Baptism, then it can receive Baptism in voto, or Baptism of Desire, and go to Heaven itself; and if that's true, all the more important is Pro-Life Work, and the hope that Parents will love and pray for both any aborted or mis-carried children they might have had. Certainly, all little babies will go at least to Limbo, and it's possible some or maybe even many will go to Heaven later on. It is a matter of free theological speculation and that is my view, based on Scripture, Magisterium, Tradition and Theology.

If we don’t keep murdering babies, what are we supposed to do at Militant Atheist Snack Time?

Boru

(July 11, 2023 at 2:03 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: If we don’t keep murdering babies, what are we supposed to do at Militant Atheist Snack Time?

Boru

I thought MAST was when we had tacos.

(July 11, 2023 at 1:12 pm)Nishant Xavier Wrote: To Deese: I already answered your question. Go back and read it.

No you didnt. You answered a small side issue and CHOSE to ignore the core issue by and large by going on an irrelevant tangent about fucking Lincoln:

Quote:So, yes, we are for amnesty and forgiveness for all who did such things while the Law wrongly taught them it was ok to kill children; and we also see women as largely victims of abortion; but, in time, the laws should reflect the Truth that babies both after and before birth are human beings, which is a biological fact - not surprising those who deny there is even such thing as a Woman anymore, and that a Man can become a Woman simply if he identifies as one, as some people claim, should deny biological facts on this too - and therefore are legally entitled to all human rights. The same as former slaves were, the same as various other people discriminated against in the course of history deserve, simply by being human.

Since babies before birth are "entitled to all human rights", what is the correct punishment for killing them, on purpose? "Forgiveness", or...? Be specifc. What is the correct punishment for abortion, aka killing a human being on purpose. Not "accident", abortions are no accidents.



For your weak sauce gem of defense of "accidents" i have this to say:

(July 10, 2023 at 8:10 pm)Nishant Xavier Wrote: Now, let's come back to Abortion; first, I want to address an unheard-of-strawman and Non-Sequitur. Accidental Deaths happen, therefore homicides are good? The argument from miscarriages is a bit like that.

No, its not. Your defense of the indefensible is ridiculous and dishonest. No one said homicides are good, but you. Way to strawman.

Natural abortions due to neglect of the woman, due to her behavior are not an accident. Tell us what death by neglect equals to. Be honest, once in your life.


Accidents:
We dont let them just happen. We try to prevent them. We try to prevent accidents. Thats why we have rules for traffic, thats why we have rules to wear seatbelts. Ohh, sorry, you dont care, you just said so: Babies die by accident, and you just shrugged your shoulders. You even are proud of yourself because you think this is a good defense when being accused to not respect the rights of unborn babies, their equal right to live. But everybody ELSE is a baby killer, right? You are a fucking hypocrite.

A human being, a baby just died, and you refuse to investigate if its the fault of the mother? Really? Thats how much you care about the right to live of babies? Would you NOT investigate on the "accidental" death of born babies as well, in case they die by neglect of the mother.?
What do you plan to implement in order to protect poor unborn babies in their mothers womb? What do you plan to prevent "accidents". Nothing?

You are too stupid (or engaged in motivated reasoning again) to see that your position has consequences. If you equate fetuses with (born) babies then you have to respect their equal rights ALL THE TIME UNDER ALL CIRCUMSTANCES, not only when it suits you and your misogyny.

(July 11, 2023 at 1:59 pm)Nishant Xavier Wrote: Yes, I know its an Atheist Forum. I read and then reread the rules recently to make sure I'm not in contravention of them. Here's the excerpt from the rules: "The forums were created for the purpose of providing friendly discussion and debate between atheists and other like-minded individuals, as well as theists. Theists are more than welcome to join and enter into discussions, but please bear in mind the nature of this community when entering into a discussion.

We believe in freedom of speech and freedom of expression, which means members can discuss their ideas without fear of censorship or limitation, provided they are not breaking the rules & guidelines below. In the interests of communication, we ask that members do not diverge from definitions of words that are found in established dictionaries.

Prime Directive: The purpose of these forums is first and foremost to allow members to discuss various topics with people who may disagree. The staff believe that the best discussions are those that stay polite and friendly. Therefore, the staff reserves the right to act against disruptive behaviors whenever necessary, as defined by staff and at its sole discretion."

Hymnal, Apologies for not addressing your post earlier.

To your question, it is a deep one: they go to Limbo, as St. Thomas states, which is a place of Perfect Natural Happiness, although deprived of the Beatific Vision and the Super-Natural Joys of Heaven itself. Beyond that, Catholic Theologians have different opinions, and I will give you my own based on my reading and thinking about it; if the Parent of the Child regrets the child's death and prays for the child to receive the Grace of Baptism, then it can receive Baptism in voto, or Baptism of Desire, and go to Heaven itself; and if that's true, all the more important is Pro-Life Work, and the hope that Parents will love and pray for both any aborted or mis-carried children they might have had. Certainly, all little babies will go at least to Limbo, and it's possible some or maybe even many will go to Heaven later on. It is a matter of free theological speculation and that is my view, based on Scripture, Magisterium, Tradition and Theology.

Limbo.... Bwahahahahahahahaha
He obviously can't think for himself. 
So we get more Aquinas bullshit. Based on nothing. 
The Roman Church has abandoned Limbo. A long time ago.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-pope-...1620070420
Either Jesus died for all sins, or he didn't.
He never said anyone had to be baptized.

There is no "later on" in a timeless environment, which their theology teaches. 
How extraordinarily ignorant is that. 
There is no "transition to heaven" (from Purgatory) in a timeless (eternal) environment. 
You'd think the absolute BASICS would have occurred to people this old.
An amateur who never took Theology 101.

BTW ignorant one, the only thing that would give a fetus "rights" is to define "personhood" to include them.
That has not happened, and in most cultures it will not happen.

So wait god somehow god can't prevent accidental fetus deaths? And you don't get to lecture about respecting rights when you reduce a women to mere incubator for another beings use.

(July 11, 2023 at 2:04 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:

(July 11, 2023 at 2:03 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: If we don’t keep murdering babies, what are we supposed to do at Militant Atheist Snack Time?

Boru

I thought MAST was when we had tacos.

Baby tacos.

Sheesh!

(July 11, 2023 at 1:59 pm)Nishant Xavier Wrote: Yes, I know its an Atheist Forum. I read and then reread the rules recently to make sure I'm not in contravention of them. Here's the excerpt from the rules: "The forums were created for the purpose of providing friendly discussion and debate between atheists and other like-minded individuals, as well as theists. Theists are more than welcome to join and enter into discussions, but please bear in mind the nature of this community when entering into a discussion.

You utterly fail here. 
Why would anyone here give a shit about your Catholic garbage ?
You are a troll.