1. You don't get any courtesies NX because you are unworthy of them and the difference between Angrboda and you is Angrboda isn't talking out of their ass 

2. That report is worthless and it doesn't matter how much Hitches did for the poor or not Mother Theresa was a POS and no amount of catholic propaganda changes that 

So your comments are bunk from start to finish

Quote:I have a bit of respect for total universalists, those who see their god as omnibenevolent and who believe that no one goes to hell.

My own belief is that 0% of the human race will be "saved," because I do not believe in any form of life after death.

Ok, Astreja. Thanks for explaining. Purgatory exists so that those who have at least slight contrition for their sins, even if they were lifelong sins, can go to Purgatory instead of Hell. And since Purgatory is only temporal, everyone who goes there will ultimately end up in Heaven. That's what the Church Fathers held. Some also believed in 50% or more going there and ultimately going to Heaven. It was understood of course that at least a slight degree of contrition for one's sins will be necessary before going even to Purgatory. It is uncertain, but we hope and pray for it. The Mass also exists to pray for the Souls in Purgatory, and also for souls near death, so that they may go at least to Purgatory. After the Reformation, Purgatory was denied and this knowledge and purpose of Purgatory was lost to many, though now some are regaining it by studying the Fathers. But it is uncertain in the final estimation how many will actually go to Purgatory, and through Purgatory, to Heaven. It depends on how many want to, and how many efforts are made. Baptism of course, in Catholic understanding, washes away all sins, and thus allows entrance to Heaven without Purgatory, for souls who die shortly after Baptism without further sins. I don't know how many will be saved, but I certainly hope as many as possible.

Helios, Pathetic. So Hitchens did nothing for the Poor, St. Mother Theresa and a 100,000 Indian Catholic Nuns do so many and such great works for the Poor that no man with a sense of justice in his heart can castigate them for it, and you side with that Fool Hitchens over Saint Mother Theresa? Pathetic is all I can say. Do what you wish, but the arguments and the facts are not on your side. St. Mother Theresa and her Nuns do 100,000 times more for the Poor than Crazy Hitchens.

So more nonsense...Gotcha 

(July 23, 2023 at 10:15 pm)Nishant Xavier Wrote: Helios, Pathetic. So Hitchens did nothing for the Poor, St. Mother Theresa and a 100,000 Indian Catholic Nuns do so many and such great works for the Poor that no man with a sense of justice in his heart can castigate them for it, and you side with that Fool Hitchens over Saint Mother Theresa? Pathetic is all I can say. Do what you wish, but the arguments and the facts are not on your side. St. Mother Theresa and her Nuns do 100,000 times more for the Poor than Crazy Hitchens.

Both of them are dead and aren't doing squat.

Quote:Helios, Pathetic. So Hitchens did nothing for the Poor, St. Mother Theresa and a 100,000 Indian Catholic Nuns do so many and such great works for the Poor that no man with a sense of justice in his heart can castigate them for it, and you side with that Fool Hitchens over Saint Mother Theresa? Pathetic is all I can say. Do what you wish, but the arguments and the facts are not on your side. St. Mother Theresa and her Nuns do 100,000 times more for the Poor than Crazy Hitchens.

So thank you for establishing you didn't read my earlier comment. I don't get my opinion of Mother Theresa from Hitchens I made that pretty clear and what  Hitchens did or did not do for the poor does not change the fact Mother Theresa was a POS so this weird and fallacious I might add obsession you have with insulting Hitchens is irrelevant. And you have no facts just propaganda given to you by the church. Now that is pathetic

Astreja Wrote:I have a bit of respect for total universalists, those who see their god as omnibenevolent and who believe that no one goes to hell.

My own belief is that 0% of the human race will be "saved," because I do not believe in any form of life after death.

(July 23, 2023 at 10:13 pm)Nishant Xavier Wrote: Ok, Astreja. Thanks for explaining. Purgatory exists so that those who have at least slight contrition for their sins, even if they were lifelong sins, can go to Purgatory instead of Hell. And since Purgatory is only temporal, everyone who goes there will ultimately end up in Heaven...

I say again: I do not believe in any form of life after death. Purgatory is just as imaginary to me as heaven or hell. I believe that everyone who has ever lived, without a single exception, simply dies and stays that way.

(July 23, 2023 at 9:58 pm)Nishant Xavier Wrote: Angrboda, I could likewise accuse you of exaggerating the alleged evidence in favor of Atheism, e.g. the claim that there are alleged actual infinites that can be formed by successive addition, in a similar way.

No, you could not, because I neither claimed that there are actual infinities nor claimed that there was evidence for atheism, whatever that would mean. (I think what you mean is evidence that God does not exist. The proposition that God does not exist is not atheism, though it is related. And in this you show that you clearly do not understand the thing you seem to want to take issue with.)

I'm watching baseball and may deal more fully with your complaints at a later time.

(July 23, 2023 at 10:13 pm)Nishant Xavier Wrote: Purgatory exists bla bla bla.  

You have not one shred of evidence Purgatory exists. 
If after death it's a timeless environment, even a retarded person could see that you can't "go" from one place to another. 
Going takes time. 

We don't give a shit about your beliefs here.

Astreja, any thoughts on NDE's, especially veridical NDE's. Imo, they are empirical evidence of the Soul, of God, of Heaven, and the After-Life. This is especially the case because people near death - like those unconscious and being operated on - tell us objective facts about the physical world, such as the instruments doctors used to operate on them while they were unconscious. They've also seen relatives of their who they did not even know they had in Heaven in Perfect Light. They confirmed later with their Parents that they did have such relatives, for e.g. younger siblings who died before they knew them.

Pls see this: "While no two NDEs are the same, there are characteristic features that are commonly observed in NDEs. These characteristics include a perception of seeing and hearing apart from the physical body, passing into or through a tunnel, encountering a mystical light, intense and generally positive emotions, a review of part or all of their prior life experiences, encountering deceased loved ones, and a choice to return to their earthly life.2" ...

Two large retrospective studies investigated the accuracy of out-of-body observations during near-death experiences. The first was by Dr. Janice Holden.10 Dr. Holden reviewed NDEs with OBEs in all previously published scholarly articles and books, and found 89 case reports. Of the case reports reviewed, 92% were considered to be completely accurate with no inaccuracy whatsoever when the OBE observations were later investigated."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6172100/ Atheism. Philosophically absurd and refuted by ever-increasing empirical evidence.