Don't. My people are huge bullshitters.

True. That Jesus guy was prone to telling tall tales.

Btw, I have a heater on in my room so I don't know what YOUR problem was.

(December 15, 2011 at 6:56 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote: The entire argument rests on "You are Jewish but it's going to somehow lessen your Jewishness if you take part in any of the symbolism of the season" which is why I mention that the tree and such are pagan trappings - nothing to do with Christianity other than having been swallowed up by them.

Let's not get into the pagan symbolism that got neatly swallowed up by the Jews regarding Passover, another fabulous non-event that happens to be MY favorite Jewish holiday.

What about christian Jews, when they celebrate Christmas does that make them less Jewish. I see no reason that Jewish christians should not celebrate Passover and other Jewish holidays.
As for yourself why would you or any nonbeliever want to participate in a celebration you give no credence to. I see no reason that you and other nonbelievers can not participate in the gift giving, tree decorating, family, friends and ect. most of that has nothing to do with celebrating the birth of Christ.

"Christian Jews" is ridiculous - if you believe in Christ, then you are a Christian. Jews do not accept Christ as the messiah or a savior. So yes, if you believe in the saving power of Christ, I don't care if you want to say that Christianity came from Judaism, the fact remains that you are "Christian." Your entire religion hinges on this zombie godling. Otherwise you'd be a bunch of Jews and Pagans. Jews for Jesus my ass.

I really don't give a shit what people do - I'm just saying if you're going to split hairs about symbolism, realize what you're doing. Don't say that it makes you less Jewish to use pagan symbols at one time of the year rather than another.

(December 15, 2011 at 9:23 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote: Don't. My people are huge bullshitters.

Your people were chosen to be the lawgivers of YHWH. I respect that.

Now, I ain't justifying shit but my own perspective. I'm Irish - American. My people are drunken poets.

Nah, I got bias, as fr0d0 would say, for the Irish and all their drunken poesy. No one transforms sadness into the sublime like the Irish.

My people chose themselves to be the lawgivers of a god they asserted was the highest one. Me personally, I'd rather pray to Chris Hemsworth or Gerard Butler.

(December 15, 2011 at 10:18 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote: "Christian Jews" is ridiculous - if you believe in Christ, then you are a Christian. Jews do not accept Christ as the messiah or a savior. So yes, if you believe in the saving power of Christ, I don't care if you want to say that Christianity came from Judaism, the fact remains that you are "Christian." Your entire religion hinges on this zombie godling. Otherwise you'd be a bunch of Jews and Pagans. Jews for Jesus my ass.

I really don't give a shit what people do - I'm just saying if you're going to split hairs about symbolism, realize what you're doing. Don't say that it makes you less Jewish to use pagan symbols at one time of the year rather than another.

Well sorry I upset you, I guess I should have said Israel christian. The Messiah that the Jewish religious people are looking for will never come, he does not exist.

Neither does yours sweet pea.

I'm not upset about anything on here, just in a grouchy mood in general about non-AF shit.

(December 15, 2011 at 10:56 pm)houseofcantor Wrote:

(December 15, 2011 at 9:23 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote: Don't. My people are huge bullshitters.

Your people were chosen to be the lawgivers of YHWH. I respect that.

Now, I ain't justifying shit but my own perspective. I'm Irish - American. My people are drunken poets.

This is a honest question, how is it that one who does not believe in God can have respect for a people who were chosen by the God you do not believe in.

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(December 15, 2011 at 11:05 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote: Neither does yours sweet pea.

I'm not upset about anything on here, just in a grouchy mood in general about non-AF shit.

Good enough! Yes he does.