Absolutely committed to dragging islam down with this shit, aren't you. I....for one.... love it when the faithful positively insist that their myths be false.

(August 20, 2023 at 8:55 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(August 20, 2023 at 5:51 pm)The Architect Of Fate Wrote: Ramesses II died of his various health issues which are all clearly visible on his mummy.

Like any old person.
So ?

My point was he didn't drown and died of illness

Winter thinks that the Great Satan is simultaneously accountable for every brilliant conspiracy to deprive his people of everything and incapable of distinguishing embalming natron for occidental salt. It's not unique to nuts like him. I notice that our own realize that the government can't deliver the mail.....and yet.......

Winter is the case example of a silly person who searches out anything which even remotely looks like it might smell like the silly shit they believe and then loudly proclaims whatever they've found as fact, to the detriment of their own beliefs. So now you know. A demonstration-

Winter.....How could anyone possibly know whether a person was ritually embalmed at the tail end of their natural life...or....died a horrific death at sea and was recovered later?

(August 20, 2023 at 11:12 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Winter thinks that the Great Satan is simultaneously accountable for every brilliant conspiracy to deprive his people of everything and incapable of distinguishing embalming natron for occidental salt.  It's not unique to nuts like him.  I notice that our own realize that the government can't deliver the mail.....and yet.......

Satan himself states the truth:

Quote:Sura 14, The Quran:
https://quran.com/14?startingVerse=22

(22) And Satan will say ˹to his followers˺ after the judgment has been passed, “Indeed, Allah has made you a true promise. I too made you a promise, but I failed you. I did not have any authority over you. I only called you, and you responded to me. So do not blame me; blame yourselves. I cannot save you, nor can you save me. Indeed, I denounce your previous association of me with Allah ˹in loyalty˺. Surely the wrongdoers will suffer a painful punishment.”

Satan just whispered. Men and women are the commuters of sins, you know.
Or as God says once again:

Quote:Sura 59, The Quran:
https://quran.com/59?startingVerse=16

˹They are˺ like Satan when he lures someone to disbelieve. Then after they have done so, he will say ˹on Judgment Day˺, “I have absolutely nothing to do with you. I truly fear Allah—the Lord of all worlds.”

If you want an artistic depiction of Satan, it will be Batman's Joker:

Quote: Winter is the case example of a silly person who searches out anything which even remotely looks like it might smell like the silly shit they believe and then loudly proclaims whatever they've found as fact, to the detriment of their own beliefs. So now you know. A demonstration-

I just point to the obvious. You're circulating the same old accusations: "I can't understand or feel what he says..so he's a magician or insane or a liar".

That behavior is mentioned in the Quran you know:

Quote:Sura 51. The Quran:
https://quran.com/51?startingVerse=52

(52) Similarly, no messenger came to those before them without being told: “A magician or a madman!”

You're repeating the same accusations that prophet Mohammed -peace be upon him- endured.
In his story btw; they threw garbage at him, some threw animal leftovers at him, 20 something years, until he became a legend surviving to this day.

I'm not circulating nonsense. I'm pointing at blatant patterns in world around us to the verses of the Quran.

Quote:Winter.....How could anyone possibly know whether a person was ritually embalmed at the tail end of their natural life...or....died a horrific death at sea and was recovered later?

https://www.egypttoday.com/Article/4/867...h-of-Moses

Quote:“It is not possible with CT scans to know whether the mummy died of drowning or not. The only thing that proves this is the lung, which is not found inside the mummy. When they took the mummy of Ramses II in the eighties, to prove that he was the Pharaoh of Moses, one of the researchers stole his hair on the restoration trip in France, putting it in a safe in his house. When the restorer passed away, his son tried to sell the hair,” said Hawass.

It's not possible to know from CT scans.

Quod erat demonstrandum

Every time I see “Quranic reflections”,  I futilely brace myself in the forlorn hope of repelling the coming assault upon the thin line defending my most recent idea of just how dumb a person who evidently could work a keyboard could really be.

Moses was a myth from the Northern kingdom's myths. He never existed. Mosheh was a common name at the time.
The entire BS of the "exodus" never happened. The ancient story of the baby being found in the river and being brought to the palace and raised was stolen from the Babylonian story of King Sargon, about whom the exact same story was told.

Egypt controlled the entire ancient Near East at the time, (there are extant letters from the Egyptian garrisons in the Levant including Canaan to and from Egypt). Going from one place Egypt controlled to another they controlled, makes no sense.
There were already Semitic settlements in Canaan at the time it was supposed to have happened.

The very best Israeli archaeologists have found there is no evidence of Moses or the Exodus.
It's also very suspicious that that "the officers of the minim" (in Exodus) have the very same name as the enforcers of the hated once a year monthly labor
laws of the Southern kingdom, (and the reason Jeroboam secedes from Israel) which they attempted to impose on the North.

The historicity of pretty much the entire Old Testament has been debunked. The text of Exodus is very political. It's really a story of the priests from the Southern Kingdom slamming
the priests from the Northern Kingdom.

(August 14, 2023 at 12:53 pm)WinterHold Wrote: Allah = The Father = Yahweh
The same entity; known in different cultures with different names.

Not really.
The origins of Al'illah (Allah) came from the the crescent phase of the Arabic moon god, whose name was Sin, and was one of the hundreds of gods the Arabs worshipped in the Kabballah, pre-Islam. (It's the reason also that in the Satanic Verses one of the divine daughters of Allah was a moon god).  
He was NOT Yahweh. In fact they were brothers, both from the Babylonian pantheon, and repeatedly, Israel was told to stop worshipping the god Sin, in the OT.  
Islam being "an Abrahamic religion" is true ONLY in the sense that Abraham was a prophet, in both systems, but NOT in the sense that they worshipped the same god.
There is a lot of archeology and scholarship that proves all this.

(August 24, 2023 at 9:08 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(August 20, 2023 at 11:12 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Winter thinks that the Great Satan is simultaneously accountable for every brilliant conspiracy to deprive his people of everything and incapable of distinguishing embalming natron for occidental salt.  It's not unique to nuts like him.  I notice that our own realize that the government can't deliver the mail.....and yet.......

Satan himself states the truth:

Quote:Sura 14, The Quran:
https://quran.com/14?startingVerse=22

(22) And Satan will say ˹to his followers˺ after the judgment has been passed, “Indeed, Allah has made you a true promise. I too made you a promise, but I failed you. I did not have any authority over you. I only called you, and you responded to me. So do not blame me; blame yourselves. I cannot save you, nor can you save me. Indeed, I denounce your previous association of me with Allah ˹in loyalty˺. Surely the wrongdoers will suffer a painful punishment.”

Satan just whispered. Men and women are the commuters of sins, you know.
Or as God says once again:

Quote:Sura 59, The Quran:
https://quran.com/59?startingVerse=16

˹They are˺ like Satan when he lures someone to disbelieve. Then after they have done so, he will say ˹on Judgment Day˺, “I have absolutely nothing to do with you. I truly fear Allah—the Lord of all worlds.”

If you want an artistic depiction of Satan, it will be Batman's Joker:

Quote: Winter is the case example of a silly person who searches out anything which even remotely looks like it might smell like the silly shit they believe and then loudly proclaims whatever they've found as fact, to the detriment of their own beliefs. So now you know. A demonstration-

I just point to the obvious. You're circulating the same old accusations: "I can't understand or feel what he says..so he's a magician or insane or a liar".

That behavior  is mentioned in the Quran you know:

Quote:Sura 51. The Quran:
https://quran.com/51?startingVerse=52

(52) Similarly, no messenger came to those before them without being told: “A magician or a madman!”

You're repeating the same accusations that prophet Mohammed -peace be upon him- endured.
In his story btw; they threw garbage at him, some threw animal leftovers at him, 20 something years, until he became a legend surviving to this day.

I'm not circulating nonsense. I'm pointing at blatant patterns in world around us to the verses of the Quran.

Quote:Winter.....How could anyone possibly know whether a person was ritually embalmed at the tail end of their natural life...or....died a horrific death at sea and was recovered later?

https://www.egypttoday.com/Article/4/867...h-of-Moses

Quote:“It is not possible with CT scans to know whether the mummy died of drowning or not. The only thing that proves this is the lung, which is not found inside the mummy. When they took the mummy of Ramses II in the eighties, to prove that he was the Pharaoh of Moses, one of the researchers stole his hair on the restoration trip in France, putting it in a safe in his house. When the restorer passed away, his son tried to sell the hair,” said Hawass.

It's not possible to know from CT scans.

Serious question: Does your doctor know you're of your meds?

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/satan

There is a reason most of the angels have names which end in - "el", just as Isra-el ends in "el", "walks with El"
Rapha-el, Uri-el., Micha-el. They are the messengers of "El", the chief god of the Babylonians.
In Deuteronomy the "most high god" "portions out" the nations to his sons. The inheritance of Yahweh, (NOT the "most high" god), is given Israel, for his share of the nations.

Elaine Pagels PhD (Princeton) is the recognized expert on the subject of the origins of angels and devils. "See The Origins of Satan".
There are YouTube" lectures on the subject.