Obviously moderate reliugion is much less destructive to society thanfundamentalist religion is but from the outlook of pure logic moderate Christianity makes even less sense.

Anyone who reads the Bible will know that the Judeo Christian God is not a moderate. He hates gays, people of other faiths
People like the Westboro Baptist Church and people who say homosexuals should be executed like in Muslim countries are the ones following the teachings of the Bible the best.

Moderate Christians who say its OK for people to be gay, and are accepting of other religions, and are disgusted by things like slkavery and blood sacrifices, are just going against what their God says, and essentially saying their own Bible which is the work of God is totally wrong, although that is apparently the perfect moral guide which they derive their morals from and ignore its morals completely as well

In summary:

Moderate Christianity = making their irrational assumption of believing the Bible is truth then having made that assumption behaving totally irrationally in every way on the basis of that irrational assumption.

Fundamentalist/Extremist Christianity = making their irrational assumption of believing the Bible is truth then having made that assumption behaving rationally on the basis of that irrational assumption.

Some Christians may say that the bible is a guide to how to live today.
My Christian friends say the bible is written over 2000 years ago and can be interpreted different ways.
That way, they can interpret the bad shit (hating gays, slavering and blood sacrifices) and say that only made since back in biblical times.
But the good shit (be nice, friendly, forgive others) can still apply today.

It's a bunch of bullshit. :/

(December 18, 2011 at 12:37 pm)Loading Please Wait Wrote: Some Christians may say that the bible is a guide to how to live today.
My Christian friends say the bible is written over 2000 years ago and can be interpreted different ways.
That way, they can interpret the bad shit (hating gays, slavering and blood sacrifices) and say that only made since back in biblical times.
But the good shit (be nice, friendly, forgive others) can still apply today.

It's a bunch of bullshit. :/

I always wonder why anyone should feel the need to get their morals from a book, any book. If you don't stop to figure out what you think, you'll never recognize the right answer in any book.

(December 18, 2011 at 1:10 pm)whateverist Wrote: I always wonder why anyone should feel the need to get their morals from a book, any book. If you don't stop to figure out what you think, you'll never recognize the right answer in any book.

They grew up that way, and were taught to learn that way by their parents -.-

There was a point in time when hating gays, slavery, and blood sacrifice "made sense"? I wasn't aware. Here I was plugging along under the impression that people have held ignorant beliefs since time immemorial.

(December 18, 2011 at 8:54 pm)Rhythm Wrote: There was a point in time when hating gays, slavery, and blood sacrifice "made sense"? I wasn't aware. Here I was plugging along under the impression that ignorant people have been ignorant since time immemorial.

Not to mention genocide.

Anybody who offers that up is treading a mighty fine line. Tacit approval "Well, it was okay then....." oh was it, and it isn't okay now because? Certain segments of the faithful maintain that it was okay then and now, of course.

(December 18, 2011 at 9:00 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Anybody who offers that up is treading a mighty fine line. Tacit approval "Well, it was okay then....." oh was it, and it isn't okay now because? Certain segments of the faithful maintain that it was okay then and now, of course.

Treading a fine line, and opening up a door that they may wish they hadn't:

1. If genocide was acceptable to god then, and is now, god is a monster.
2. If genocide was acceptable to god then, but not now, clearly god's morality is not objective and eternal.
3. If genocide was neither acceptable then, nor now, then the bible is false.
4. If genocide was unacceptable then, and acceptable now.... well, nobody really argues that, do they? See #2.

Apologies to Epicurus for ripping off his paradox.

(December 18, 2011 at 11:30 am)Xavier Wrote: Obviously moderate reliugion is much less destructive to society thanfundamentalist religion is but from the outlook of pure logic moderate Christianity makes even less sense.

Anyone who reads the Bible will know that the Judeo Christian God is not a moderate. He hates gays, people of other faiths
People like the Westboro Baptist Church and people who say homosexuals should be executed like in Muslim countries are the ones following the teachings of the Bible the best.

Moderate Christians who say its OK for people to be gay, and are accepting of other religions, and are disgusted by things like slkavery and blood sacrifices, are just going against what their God says, and essentially saying their own Bible which is the work of God is totally wrong, although that is apparently the perfect moral guide which they derive their morals from and ignore its morals completely as well

In summary:

Moderate Christianity = making their irrational assumption of believing the Bible is truth then having made that assumption behaving totally irrationally in every way on the basis of that irrational assumption.

Fundamentalist/Extremist Christianity = making their irrational assumption of believing the Bible is truth then having made that assumption behaving rationally on the basis of that irrational assumption.

Before you make statements like, God hates, you should study the scriptures and find out the truth. God hates no one, so he could not hate in the manner you described above. What God does hate are the sinful actions of man not man himself. If it were true that God hated anyone then he would not have sent his Son to redeem mankind, that would be a great contradiction and as you stated yourself God is not moderate, he sent Christ for all and not just for a special few.
You judge God on the actions of his fallible followers, none of us are close to perfect, but if you must pick people to judge God by find those who are actually doing what Christ teaches. That would however require you to come to some kind of a understanding of his teachings through scripture.

(December 18, 2011 at 10:29 pm)Godschild Wrote: Before you make statements like, God hates, you should study the scriptures and find out the truth. God hates no one, so he could not hate in the manner you described above.

Untrue. Your god not only turned his back on the whole of mankind not once, but twice, he has commanded the genocide of entire communties. If that's not hatred, than Hitler was just acting-up and and just sort of disliked the Jews.

Quote:What God does hate are the sinful actions of man not man himself.

Untrue. If your god only hated sin, he wouldn't be burning the soul of a man for eternity - he'd be punishing Satan, sin, etc. etc. No no .. he hates men who do not fear him and refuse to accept him as their supreme dictator.

Quote:If it were true that God hated anyone then he would not have sent his Son to redeem mankind, that would be a great contradiction and as you stated yourself God is not moderate, he sent Christ for all and not just for a special few.

Untrue. Matthew 7:13 declares that his salvation is only for a select group and the other 100 billion of us are going to burn forever.

Quote:You judge God on the actions of his fallible followers, none of us are close to perfect ...

Untrue. I judge your god by the words he supposedly writes in his old book. Your god has damned himself --- his followers are just evidence of the unjust nature and immorality of your god.

Quote: but if you must pick people to judge God by find those who are actually doing what Christ teaches. That would however require you to come to some kind of a understanding of his teachings through scripture.

Once again, this is your own improvable biased opinion. Many of us have far more knowledge and understanding of the scriptures than you do and telling us that our lack of understanding is why we don't understand is a tired old cop-out.