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RE: [split] Are Questions About God Important?
November 30, 2023 at 8:46 pm
(November 30, 2023 at 8:40 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: (November 30, 2023 at 8:33 pm)Confused-by-christianity Wrote: You’re basically making god not fully harmonised and unified with godself in order to emanate bad stuff from him. ??? You have to corrupt his integrity (no more truth, goodness beauty)
I'm not doing anything, this was your suggestion? You're the one who indicated that flowing out of gods wherever was the worthwhile making property - I don't believe in gods at all. The stuff you seem to think is devil stuff would be the worthwhile stuff, and perfect, according to your understanding of how things are worthwhile, or perfect.
See, this is why I like to use pizza and cats. You created a corruption and shone it from god and asked if the corruption is now good.
You have the create discord and remove integrity for that.
So it’s not god you’re talking about anymore
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RE: [split] Are Questions About God Important?
November 30, 2023 at 8:54 pm
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Again, if this is a corruption, it's not one I created. It is an inescapable consequence of your notion that coming out of gods wherever is the worthwhile-making property.
Maybe it's not god, or goodness, that you're talking about anymore, when you make claims like that? As I hope I've made perfectly clear, I don't believe that coming out of gods wherever is the worthwhile-making property, so this is no issue for me whatsoever.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: [split] Are Questions About God Important?
November 30, 2023 at 8:56 pm
(November 30, 2023 at 8:54 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Again, if this is a corruption, it's not one I created. It is an inescapable consequence of your notion that coming out of gods wherever is the worthwhile-making property.
Maybe it's not god, or goodness, that you're talking about anymore, when you make claims like that? The question is like “is truth not truth”
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RE: [split] Are Questions About God Important?
November 30, 2023 at 9:02 pm
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Is it? Is a thing true because it shines out of gods wherever, or do things shine out of gods wherever because they are true?
You can appreciate how you're about to crash into exactly the same problem again, right? That, by this rule..your rule..now, some thing you think is absolutely false and vile must be worthwhile, perfect, and also true, provided it flows out of a gods wherever.
We could triple down, but does it seem like it's trending better or worse, at present?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: [split] Are Questions About God Important?
November 30, 2023 at 9:09 pm
(November 30, 2023 at 9:02 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Is it? Is a thing true because it shines out of gods wherever, or do things shine out of gods wherever because they are true?
You can appreciate how you're about to crash into exactly the same problem again, right? That, by this rule..your rule..now, some thing you think is absolutely false and vile must be worthwhile, perfect, and also true, provided it flows out of a gods wherever. If false is truth is it truth
That’s the question.
It means an ununified god
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RE: [split] Are Questions About God Important?
November 30, 2023 at 9:12 pm
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I think I'd probably have to see that fleshed out a bit before I could comment..but, have you spotted an error or risk in your rule through these examples?
I don't get it, for me this is super softball. OFC "devil stuff" wouldn't be worthwhile, perfect, or true just because it came out of a gods wherever - but that does mean that coming out of gods wherever is not the worthwhile/perfect/truth-making property. Hell, if it was "devil stuff" coming out of gods wherever, not only would you reject the consequences of your rule...you wouldn't even call it a god anymore. You seem to realize that something is askance. What's stopping us from stepping back and correcting a statement about what we -actually- believe, since it's not really what we just said we believed?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: [split] Are Questions About God Important?
November 30, 2023 at 9:17 pm
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(November 30, 2023 at 9:09 pm)Confused-by-christianity Wrote: (November 30, 2023 at 9:02 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Is it? Is a thing true because it shines out of gods wherever, or do things shine out of gods wherever because they are true?
You can appreciate how you're about to crash into exactly the same problem again, right? That, by this rule..your rule..now, some thing you think is absolutely false and vile must be worthwhile, perfect, and also true, provided it flows out of a gods wherever. If false is truth is it truth
That’s the question.
It means an ununified god
There are no gods.
There is no evidence of any gods.
There also is no coherent definition of a "god".
If there were any gods, there are a number of historical points in which they would have intervened. There were, as always ... absent.
Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble. - Joseph Campbell 
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RE: [split] Are Questions About God Important?
November 30, 2023 at 9:24 pm
(November 30, 2023 at 9:12 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I think I'd probably have to see that fleshed out a bit before I could comment..but, have you spotted an error or risk in your rule through these examples?
I don't get it, for me this is super softball. OFC "devil stuff" wouldn't be worthwhile, perfect, or true just because it came out of a gods wherever - but that does mean that coming out of gods wherever is not the worthwhile/perfect/truth-making property. You seem to realize that something is askance. What's stopping us from stepping back and correcting a statement about what we -actually- believe, since it's not really what we just said we believed? You have to create a fracture in gods integrity to create the question your asking. (Which requires space and time to exist as well). So the question doesn’t work.
If god can do anything, can he do something he can’t do. ???
Those are material universe type questions. You need space and time for that sort of question - and there’s no answer here
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RE: [split] Are Questions About God Important?
November 30, 2023 at 9:29 pm
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I'm not doing anything, it's not my rule, I don't think it's true, I'm not the one refusing to back down from it...I don't even believe that there are gods to have wherevers for things to come out of. I'm pointing out what must be true, if your rule holds.
If you think this is somehow bad or wrong....well, stop it? You don't actually believe that, that's not how you think that works, you misspoke. I strongly suspect that you said it because it sounded like something in whatever faith you came up with or are into. That it tweaked a call and response behavior that....seemingly, does not match what you actually believe about the matter.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: [split] Are Questions About God Important?
November 30, 2023 at 9:32 pm
(November 30, 2023 at 9:17 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: (November 30, 2023 at 9:09 pm)Confused-by-christianity Wrote: If false is truth is it truth
That’s the question.
It means an ununified god
There are no gods.
There is no evidence of any gods.
There also is no coherent definition of a "god".
If there were any gods, there are a number of historical points in which they would have intervened. There were, as always ... absent. You can say you’re unconvinced, or you don’t believe.
You can’t really say there are or aren’t. You can say you find the evidence you e been shown - unconvincing.
You can say your expectations weren’t met
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