While they were good, I prefer RUSH.

Hi Angrboda,

(January 23, 2024 at 12:19 pm)Angrboda Wrote: But more than that you need to understand the history here.  Snowtracks is a regular who occasionally stops by to shitpost and then leave again.  He's not here to discuss, and he's not bright enough for a meaningful discussion even if he was.  While mocking may not be appropriate in the general case, you ignore that there are exceptions to the rule.

Thanks for the history. You are correct that I did not know. I’ll watch out for that in the future.

(January 23, 2024 at 12:19 pm)Angrboda Wrote: Well, first of all, snowtracks isn't necessarily right.  

I don’t want to give any support to the style of the poster, and I suppose I might be missing something in what they are saying so that my re-wording may not be consistent with their intention. However, It sure seems to me that this is true. “Everything has to come from something. If there is a thing that doesn’t come from something else, then that thing must be eternal.”

(January 23, 2024 at 12:19 pm)Angrboda Wrote: Btw, that's not what eternal means.

No, of course not. I was going for the laugh. However, it’s an obvious consequence of being eternal, that is without beginning or end. If something doesn’t come from something else, then it is without beginning. That’s what I meant. Yeah, there’s the whole end part but we’re not talking about the end.

Thanks again.

(January 23, 2024 at 12:30 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(January 23, 2024 at 11:54 am)SimpleCaveman Wrote: I think this is the best form of “argument” that can be brought up here. Make fun of the post.  Sure, it ignores the point being made, but at least it’s mildly humorous and not mean like other responses.

My reply doesn’t ’ignore the point being made’ (because snow isn’t making a point, merely regurgitating an unsubstantiated claim), nor is it abusive.

Agreed that it’s not abusive. And let the records show that it was stated as such.

I take it that you are saying that snowtracks isn’t making a point because of the history of the way they post. Fair enough. If the post doesn’t look for a response/conversation, then ignoring it is a good choice.

(January 23, 2024 at 12:30 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I do, however, happily admit to the charge of mockery.

And if only you hadn’t picked on KC. Maybe you have relatives there. Of course, if you mean KC, MO, then by all means. Mock away. :-)

(January 23, 2024 at 12:43 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: [ ] yes [ ] no

Are we back in middle school?

Ha! I’m glad to see that the joke worked for you.

(January 23, 2024 at 1:44 pm)no one Wrote: While they were good, I prefer RUSH.

Ever so much! RUSH is one of my #4 bands of all time.

(January 23, 2024 at 2:34 pm)SimpleCaveman Wrote:

(January 23, 2024 at 12:19 pm)Angrboda Wrote: Well, first of all, snowtracks isn't necessarily right.  

I don’t want to give any support to the style of the poster, and I suppose I might be missing something in what they are saying so that my re-wording may not be consistent with their intention. However, It sure seems to me that this is true. “Everything has to come from something. If there is a thing that doesn’t come from something else, then that thing must be eternal.”

There are theories of the universe in which time is finite but unbounded. It would be a bit misleading to describe the universe as eternal under said theories as the concept of eternity generally implies an infinite and unbounded time.

As a personal matter, I suspect the idea of infinite unbounded time is a conceptual error, inherited from prior times. It may itself be incoherent or simply impossible.

(January 23, 2024 at 2:41 pm)SimpleCaveman Wrote:

(January 23, 2024 at 12:30 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: My reply doesn’t ’ignore the point being made’ (because snow isn’t making a point, merely regurgitating an unsubstantiated claim), nor is it abusive.

Agreed that it’s not abusive. And let the records show that it was stated as such.

I take it that you are saying that snowtracks isn’t making a point because of the history of the way they post. Fair enough. If the post doesn’t look for a response/conversation, then ignoring it is a good choice.

(January 23, 2024 at 12:30 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I do, however, happily admit to the charge of mockery.

And if only you hadn’t picked on KC. Maybe you have relatives there. Of course, if you mean KC, MO, then by all means. Mock away. :-)

I didn’t know there was more than one Kansas City. Anyroad, the line is a Groucho Marx joke.

Boru

(January 23, 2024 at 2:47 pm)Angrboda Wrote:

(January 23, 2024 at 2:34 pm)SimpleCaveman Wrote: I don’t want to give any support to the style of the poster, and I suppose I might be missing something in what they are saying so that my re-wording may not be consistent with their intention. However, It sure seems to me that this is true. “Everything has to come from something. If there is a thing that doesn’t come from something else, then that thing must be eternal.”

There are theories of the universe in which time is finite but unbounded.  It would be a bit misleading to describe the universe as eternal under said theories as the concept of eternity generally implies an infinite and unbounded time.

As a personal matter, I suspect the idea of infinite unbounded time is a conceptual error, inherited from prior times.  It may itself be incoherent or simply impossible.

Now you are out of my league. I do not know those theories nor the strength they currently hold. Are you a physicist of sorts?

Wait. I just read a post on stackexchange about this idea. I am now an expert.

(January 23, 2024 at 4:16 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I didn’t know there was more than one Kansas City. Anyroad, the line is a Groucho Marx joke.

I love it. Sorry for being obtuse. Thanks for the reference! Clearly, I need to watch some Marx Brothers again. It’s been a while.

(January 23, 2024 at 4:31 pm)SimpleCaveman Wrote:

(January 23, 2024 at 2:47 pm)Angrboda Wrote: There are theories of the universe in which time is finite but unbounded.  It would be a bit misleading to describe the universe as eternal under said theories as the concept of eternity generally implies an infinite and unbounded time.

As a personal matter, I suspect the idea of infinite unbounded time is a conceptual error, inherited from prior times.  It may itself be incoherent or simply impossible.

Now you are out of my league. I do not know those theories nor the strength they currently hold. Are you a physicist of sorts?

Wait. I just read a post on stackexchange about this idea. I am now an expert.

That can happen when you blindly google phrases.