I remember seeing a pic of a couple magats wearing "I'd rather be Russian than Democrat" during the 2016 runup to the election. If they like Russia so well, they should go live there. No backsies, either.

(January 30, 2024 at 4:24 pm)ShinyCrystals Wrote: I did not say we should strip them. If anything, I meant more that they just should not be seen as people of the USA considering how unfaithful they are. That said, they can remain in the country’s borders, live in this country and even have the documents for citizenship for all I care, but no actual banishment.

That and four dollars will get you a cuppa joe at Starbucks. Plenty of us already regard them as anti-American. They don't care. They don't care.

(January 31, 2024 at 9:37 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(January 30, 2024 at 4:24 pm)ShinyCrystals Wrote: I did not say we should strip them. If anything, I meant more that they just should not be seen as people of the USA considering how unfaithful they are. That said, they can remain in the country’s borders, live in this country and even have the documents for citizenship for all I care, but no actual banishment.

That and four dollars will get you a cuppa joe at Starbucks. Plenty of us already regard them as anti-American. They don't care. They don't care.

It is a shame they do not care, when they should. They are shutting themselves out from any criticism and other things they could improve on, but yet they choose to block that all out and remain in their own little world, which is quite sad, really.

(January 31, 2024 at 10:13 am)ShinyCrystals Wrote: It is a shame they do not care, when they should. They are shutting themselves out from any criticism and other things they could improve on, but yet they choose to block that all out and remain in their own little world, which is quite sad, really.

They don't think they need any improvement. They think they are the perfect Americans, and that anyone who disagrees is perforce wrong. Of course that's a shame ... but them's the facts.

(January 31, 2024 at 11:57 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(January 31, 2024 at 10:13 am)ShinyCrystals Wrote: It is a shame they do not care, when they should. They are shutting themselves out from any criticism and other things they could improve on, but yet they choose to block that all out and remain in their own little world, which is quite sad, really.

They don't think they need any improvement. They think they are the perfect Americans, and that anyone who disagrees is perforce wrong. Of course that's a shame ... but them's the facts.

Yes, of course that is true. It’s also sad they can’t tell the difference between facts and opinions.

(January 31, 2024 at 9:37 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(January 30, 2024 at 4:24 pm)ShinyCrystals Wrote: I did not say we should strip them. If anything, I meant more that they just should not be seen as people of the USA considering how unfaithful they are. That said, they can remain in the country’s borders, live in this country and even have the documents for citizenship for all I care, but no actual banishment.

That and four dollars will get you a cuppa joe at Starbucks. Plenty of us already regard them as anti-American. They don't care. They don't care.

That's what you get when the whole society in built on the individual.... why should any one person care about the others losers?

(January 31, 2024 at 6:07 pm)pocaracas Wrote:

(January 31, 2024 at 9:37 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: That and four dollars will get you a cuppa joe at Starbucks. Plenty of us already regard them as anti-American. They don't care. They don't care.

That's what you get when the whole society in built on the individual.... why should any one person care about the others losers?

There is nothing wrong with individual freedoms and putting emphasis on the individual. But its what you get when mofos go from there to use this as an excuse to be egocentric (and cross the legal lines even).
The US always puzzled me as a weird mix of flag waving and "fuck you, i got mine" attitudes.

(January 30, 2024 at 12:06 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: There's no may.  They already lose more than they can produce - many times over.  The real trouble isn't the loss of tanks, though.  It's crews.  They'll run out of gunners before they run out of museum pieces.  According to russian tank crews, they already have - which might explain their truly impressive rate of loss.

Especially when you take into account that they throw tank crews who survive losing their tanks into human wave infantry battalions to die in places like Adviivka or Bakhmut.

(January 30, 2024 at 2:07 pm)ShinyCrystals Wrote:

(January 30, 2024 at 2:03 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I think it's safe to assume that ukraine has already suffered tremendous casualties - we know that was one point of disagreement between us planners and ukranian commanders that hampered the counteroffensive over the summer.  This slow rolling retreat - except for when they just drop their shit and bolt in civvy clothes, is as best as russia can take advantage of that misfortune.  Two months from now they'll be even less capable of taking advantage - as the attritional phases of this war have seen russias force and force projection fade while ukraine gains new tech, new ability, and much more experience - owing in large part to the ukranian strategy of husbanding their resources even when it pisses off their american partners.

Speaking of American partners, I wonder how hard is it for the USA to give support Ukraine right now? Any hindrances?

The republitraitor party are the only hindrance to US military aid for Ukraine.

In fact sending aid to Ukraine is a military help to the US in many ways, it usefully gets rid of old obsolete stocks allowing newer stocks to be deployed more rapidly, it gives the US valuable military insights into what it considered, to 2022, its current biggest threat and into how to wage war with new equipment like drones, it solidifies an alliance with a large (if poor) nation in Eastern Europe and it drains the power of a country which has been at war with it (at least de facto, putting out a bounty on US forces in Afghanistan operating under a UN security council mandate is an act of war) for at least a decade.

Seeing social media posts claiming the Russian guided missile corvette, Ivanovets, has been promoted to submarine.