(August 29, 2024 at 10:51 pm)Ivan Denisovich Wrote: Did I ever said that I deem Democrats to be good? They're better than trump but even dog shit on the sidewalk is better than him.

That's fair.

But I think the two-party circus tends to make people play down the horribleness of their own team. I'm glad you're not guilty of that.

(August 29, 2024 at 10:48 pm)Belacqua Wrote: It's possible for both sides to be bad.

They're not equally bad. For starters, Trump is pushing for Project 2025 which plans to turn the US into a dictatorship, take people's medicare, abolish the department of education, go after marriage equality, cut social security, deregulate environmental protections, break immigrant families, and many more bad things.

People who think the both parties are equally bad are the circus.

(August 29, 2024 at 10:48 pm)Belacqua Wrote: Back when Bush was starting his unnecessary, immoral war we thought that his basic decency was in question. The wars killed a lot of people, after all. 

Like Bush-era Republicans, current Democrats support war, censorship, and a border wall (Harris recently reversed her position on this; she supports more wall now). 

I don't see anyone here defending Biden's policies. Why are you practicing this not-so-subtle whataboutism when the topic is the threat Trump presents to American democracy? You know as well as I that Trump is supporting Israeli war-crimes at least as much as Biden is.

But Biden isn't running, and Harris may not support the policies the President is currently enacting. This thread is about the 2024 election, not your particular bugbears. You want to mount a "they're both the same" argument, grow a pair and open your own thread.

Of course you won't.

(August 29, 2024 at 11:52 pm)Belacqua Wrote:

(August 29, 2024 at 10:51 pm)Ivan Denisovich Wrote: Did I ever said that I deem Democrats to be good? They're better than trump but even dog shit on the sidewalk is better than him.

That's fair.

But I think the two-party circus tends to make people play down the horribleness of their own team. I'm glad you're not guilty of that.

From my pov two party system is crap designed to make politicians life easier. One does not have to put much effort when there isn't much to choice from; it promotes complacency in politicians who merely have to say that they aren't as bad as their opponents.

(August 29, 2024 at 2:19 am)Belacqua Wrote: So we're now at the point where an endorsement from the George W. Bush administration is considered a GOOD thing.

Remember when we thought Bush was bad?

Yes, if bad tells you that worse should be avoided, its a good reminder of what "worse" actually is, and always was, unless your are of course Belaqua, to whom everybody (he does not support) is equally "bad". The problem is not Bush, Trump or how bad they are, but, how anyone and everyone who disagrees with you is intellectually inferior and anyone and everyone who does not support your political position is equally "bad", aka your attitude.

Why is this man not in a home somewhere?

Trump bizarrely claims people have stopped eating bacon because of wind power (msn.com)

Donald Trump bizarrely claimed people don’t eat bacon anymore because of wind power while taking questions at his latest campaign speech in Wisconsin.

(August 30, 2024 at 10:02 am)arewethereyet Wrote: Why is this man not in a home somewhere?

Trump bizarrely claims people have stopped eating bacon because of wind power (msn.com)

Donald Trump bizarrely claimed people don’t eat bacon anymore because of wind power while taking questions at his latest campaign speech in Wisconsin.

It’d take one goddamned big windmill to get me to stop eating bacon.

Boru

(August 30, 2024 at 10:02 am)arewethereyet Wrote: Why is this man not in a home somewhere?

Trump bizarrely claims people have stopped eating bacon because of wind power (msn.com)

Donald Trump bizarrely claimed people don’t eat bacon anymore because of wind power while taking questions at his latest campaign speech in Wisconsin.

Quoted from your linked article: "Operation Let Him Talk" is working according to plan.

(August 30, 2024 at 10:02 am)arewethereyet Wrote: Why is this man not in a home somewhere?

Trump bizarrely claims people have stopped eating bacon because of wind power (msn.com)

Donald Trump bizarrely claimed people don’t eat bacon anymore because of wind power while taking questions at his latest campaign speech in Wisconsin.

trump is on his way to be more memetic than Brezhnev.

Quote:NEW YORK (AP) — Next month’s debate between Vice President Kamala Harris and former President Donald Trump won’t have an audience, live microphones when candidates aren’t speaking, or written notes, according to rules that ABC News, the host network, shared this week with both campaigns.

A copy of the rules was provided to the Associated Press on Thursday by a senior Trump campaign official on condition of anonymity ahead of the network’s announcement. The Harris campaign on Thursday insisted it was still discussing the muting of mics with ABC.

The parameters now in place for the Sept. 10 debate are essentially the same as they were for the June debate between Trump and President Joe Biden, a disastrous performance for the incumbent Democrat that fueled his exit from the campaign. It is the only debate that’s been firmly scheduled and could be the only time voters see Harris and Trump go head to head before the November general election.

https://apnews.com/article/harris-trump-...e84b109e04