(October 9, 2024 at 9:02 am)arewethereyet Wrote:

(October 9, 2024 at 8:56 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: I definitely don't agree with this.

I think this one is true.  If there were ever a hot button, abortion is it.  

Between anyone anti-abortion and the ones who will only vote a certain party, there are those who won't be swayed no matter what.

Immigration is just as important to Trumpeteers as abortion, if not more so. That's why we see Trump all over the place on abortion -- he can afford to be murky because that's not the main driver for his supporters. There's also isolationism, but that carries less heft.

It's the racism. They want the racism and the rest is negotiable.

(October 9, 2024 at 8:21 am)Fake Messiah Wrote:

(October 9, 2024 at 4:07 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Harris' people need to be shouting this stuff from the rooftops.

Boru

His voters know that but will still vote for him because they are single issue voters (abortion) and they believe that this money will trickle down to them. Like, do you remember when that moron Drich talked about how billionaires will give him money after they get their tax breaks because they care about him?

They don’t need to shout it at his voters. They need to shout it at the 3% who are still puzzlingly undecided.

Boru

(October 9, 2024 at 11:32 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: It's the racism.  They want the racism and the rest is negotiable.

There's that.

(October 9, 2024 at 11:34 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(October 9, 2024 at 8:21 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: His voters know that but will still vote for him because they are single issue voters (abortion) and they believe that this money will trickle down to them. Like, do you remember when that moron Drich talked about how billionaires will give him money after they get their tax breaks because they care about him?

They don’t need to shout it at his voters. They need to shout it at the 3% who are still puzzlingly undecided.

Boru

Not enough of those people care enough to actually vote for it to matter.

(October 9, 2024 at 11:41 am)Angrboda Wrote:

(October 9, 2024 at 11:34 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: They don’t need to shout it at his voters. They need to shout it at the 3% who are still puzzlingly undecided.

Boru

Not enough of those people care enough to actually vote for it to matter.

All the more reason to shout this out to them. This election is going to come down to turnout, so not even attempting to sway at least some of the undecideds is missing a trick.

‘Harris is going to give you money, but Trump is going to charge you money’ might be enough of an inducement to make a difference.

Boru

Millions of Christians Not Voting Becomes 'Five-Alarm Fire' for Trump

Conservative commentator Charlie Kirk warned that millions of born-again and mainline Christians choosing not to vote in the upcoming election could pose a serious threat to Donald Trump's reelection efforts.

Citing survey data from pollster George Barna, Kirk described the situation as a "five-alarm fire" for Trump, noting that 41 million born-again Christians and 32 million mainline Christians are not planning to vote.

The decline in Trump's support among Christian and evangelical groups comes as the former president faces widespread criticism from these movements for his wavering stance on abortion during this campaign. Trump has repeatedly downplayed the importance of abortion, stating that it is no longer a "big factor" in elections and predicting it will become "a very small issue" in this year's vote.

Moreover, Trump recently criticized Florida's six-week abortion ban, calling it "too short" and suggesting more time should be allowed before restricting abortion access, igniting backlash from anti-abortion advocates.

Although Trump later reversed his stance, the damage to his reputation among staunch anti-abortion supporters, such as Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler, had already been done. Mohler, a prominent figure in conservative Christian politics, warned that Trump's inconsistent positions might lead conservative Christian voters to either stay home or reconsider their choices in November.

https://www.newsweek.com/christians-not-...mp-1965304

^That would be wonderful

ETA - If he never faces an election again why would he honor any commitment to any groups that helped him? If elected, he is beholden to no one. His entire ethos is "what's in it for me?" Wholly transactional.

Assuming he either serves out the term or somehow holds on to power.

(October 10, 2024 at 11:31 am)arewethereyet Wrote:

... and have a lover's spat with the couch?!