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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
November 4, 2024 at 5:34 am
(November 4, 2024 at 12:20 am)Belacqua Wrote: (November 3, 2024 at 10:17 pm)Brian37 Wrote: you can start with Rupert Murdoch and Fox News about 20 years ago when they gutted the network of any
I agree, this was the start of the horrible polarizing we see today.
The trouble is that Murdoch had discovered an excellent business model. You make more money by feeding the hate and fear of your viewers than by offering anything like balance. So then MSNBC and, to a lesser extent, CNN and other stations adopted the same business model, but aimed at a different demographic. And neither side feels any duty to tell the truth at all.
So now we're at the point where reality appears different depending on what media you watch. Pro-Harris people can't even imagine how a sane person could support Trump, because their media invariably say there is no reason -- other than racism or misogyny. The idea that sane thinking people could respectfully disagree is no longer possible.
Media coverage aside, anyone who can't see and understand that racism and misogyny are exactly what make Trumpism attractive to garbage-headed morons has either mental issues or a pretty unattractive agenda of their own (voiced or not).
Sane people do not support candidates who embrace racism, misogyny, childish trade policies, suppression of the press, jailing political opponents, sexual assault, fraudulent business practices, voter suppression, and the destruction of democracy.
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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
November 4, 2024 at 7:29 am
Belacqua doesn't support Trump because of his racism & misogyny, but because Belacqua hates the US and wants to see Americans suffer. And when Trump appoints anti-vaxxers as head of the FDA and crashes the economy with his idiotic tariffs, the Americans will be dying left and right which will make him happy.
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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
November 4, 2024 at 7:42 am
(November 3, 2024 at 5:34 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: (November 3, 2024 at 5:17 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Latest polls are trending for Kamala, she is even ahead in Iowa. And the gender gap is trending for her too. Hopefully we can put an end to his bullying and hate Tuesday night.
Don't burn your bridges until your enemies are on them.
Or, something like that.
Polls aren't everything.
Let's hope that they're right, however.
I know, I have been telling everyone don't assume. Went to a transgender ally support group and a couple attendees said they had not voted yet but would tomorrow, I was very stern with them saying, they had better, and they promised they would. Polls are not everything that is true, but if accurate they can be a good indicator. But we still need the petal to the metal and all hands on deck until 7pm-8pm depending zip code.
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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
November 4, 2024 at 8:59 am
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(November 4, 2024 at 12:20 am)Belacqua Wrote: Pro-Harris people can't even imagine how a sane person could support Trump, because their media invariably say there is no reason -- other than racism or misogyny. The idea that sane thinking people could respectfully disagree is no longer possible. Poisoning the well is a fallacy, not a good argument, not by a long stretch. Go and tell Putin to lower your salary, you arent worth it. But go ahead and tell other people what kinda news they are watching and. Also nobody gives a fuck if you, or anyone, else disagrees with anyone. You can disagree all you want. If you think its reasonable to vote for a convicted felon, who doesnt give a shit about the US in general, women, minorities, the poor and everyone else in particular, then bring it. Put up or shut up.
Stop lying too, you dont respect anyone here on the forum.
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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
November 4, 2024 at 10:03 am
(November 4, 2024 at 12:20 am)Belacqua Wrote: (November 3, 2024 at 10:17 pm)Brian37 Wrote: you can start with Rupert Murdoch and Fox News about 20 years ago when they gutted the network of any
I agree, this was the start of the horrible polarizing we see today.
The trouble is that Murdoch had discovered an excellent business model. You make more money by feeding the hate and fear of your viewers than by offering anything like balance. So then MSNBC and, to a lesser extent, CNN and other stations adopted the same business model, but aimed at a different demographic. And neither side feels any duty to tell the truth at all.
So now we're at the point where reality appears different depending on what media you watch. Pro-Harris people can't even imagine how a sane person could support Trump, because their media invariably say there is no reason -- other than racism or misogyny. The idea that sane thinking people could respectfully disagree is no longer possible.
Obviously racists and misogynists don't make whole of trump electorate. There are also fascists, religious nuts, conspiracy theorists, far righters who aren't fascists yet...
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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
November 4, 2024 at 10:33 am
In the end it is really sad that the most powerful country in the world expresses as candidates these 2, both Harris & Trump are really "underperforming" persons.
Part of my family is from US and they all have declared themselves proud democrats, since the 1930s, but they did not voted for Clinton (abstained), they did vote for Biden (very much underestimated in his accomplishments) and now some of them will vote Harris, some other will abstain.
IS it really impossible to find 2 good candidates like for example Romney and Obama? It is less than 20 years ago that they were candidates but it looks like geologic eras have passed in between.
Romney is a Mormon, but he is a respectful person. He is not my cup of tea, but I think he is the kind of candidate the Republican should put in place
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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
November 4, 2024 at 11:35 am
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(November 4, 2024 at 10:33 am)europeanatheist Wrote: In the end it is really sad that the most powerful country in the world expresses as candidates these 2, both Harris & Trump are really "underperforming" persons.
Part of my family is from US and they all have declared themselves proud democrats, since the 1930s, but they did not voted for Clinton (abstained), they did vote for Biden (very much underestimated in his accomplishments) and now some of them will vote Harris, some other will abstain.
IS it really impossible to find 2 good candidates like for example Romney and Obama? It is less than 20 years ago that they were candidates but it looks like geologic eras have passed in between.
Romney is a Mormon, but he is a respectful person. He is not my cup of tea, but I think he is the kind of candidate the Republican should put in place
Harris is a run-of-the-mill Democrat politician. Trump is wanting to tear down our checks-and-balances in order to massage his toxic ego.
You're right, neither candidate is ideal -- but this idea that they're both simply and equally mediocre is not accurate. Harris is mediocre. Trump is malignant.
As for Romney, he too gave his support to Trump before turning on him. The Republicans are going to have a hell of a time putting their party back together after Trump loses, which I think will be the outcome of this election.
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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
November 4, 2024 at 11:40 am
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I guess I just never really paid enough attention to the man to notice that his hand signal resembles that of a certain historical figure.
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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
November 4, 2024 at 12:02 pm
The question of why we can't find two good candidates like romney and obama seems answered in the asking, to me. Romney was a vulture capitalist, obama was a drone warlord and deporter in chief. Both decided wall street was too big to fail and americans were too small to matter.
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RE: 2024 US Presidential Election
November 4, 2024 at 12:09 pm
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To be honest, I think the democratic presidential candidates do have the people's best interest in mind. What I believe happens is that they discover, upon settling into the job and probably something the republicans already know, is that there is a certain power dictating what they can realistically achieve in office.
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