(November 11, 2024 at 2:56 am)TheWhiteMarten Wrote:

(November 11, 2024 at 2:06 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Evidence plox kthx bai.

Brother.

Like, I get it - lol, troll the dumbass Christian till he leaves - but holy shit, even for trolling that was dumb as fuck.

I'm not trolling, I'm asking for evidence. That I'm using internet lingo that's 20 years old only speaks to my age, not my approach.

Now -- since you like non-Trumpeteers to be nice and proper and whatnot -- do you have any evidence for your claims? If "no", great, I appreciate your honesty. If "yes", please present links I may peruse myself.

For the record, I don't think you're a dumbass. I think you're misguided and wedded to your ideology.

Finally, I notice you did not acknowledge my point about why Takei was mentioned. I'm left to think that that is intentional.

(November 11, 2024 at 4:06 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(November 11, 2024 at 2:56 am)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: Brother.

Like, I get it - lol, troll the dumbass Christian till he leaves - but holy shit, even for trolling that was dumb as fuck.

I'm not trolling, I'm asking for evidence. That I'm using internet lingo that 20 years old only speaks to my age, not my approach.

Now -- since you like non-Trumpeteers to be nice and proper and whatnot -- do you have any evidence for your claims? If "no", great, I appreciate your honesty. If "yes", please present links I may peruse myself.

For the record, I don't think you're a dumbass. I think you're misguided and wedded to your ideology.

Finally, I notice you did not acknowledge my point about why Takei was mentioned. I'm left to think that that is intentional.

First and foremost; I appreciate the respectful response and I intend to respond as honestly and truthfully as I can in response.

Off the top of my head and without a short search of specific instances, no; I don't have evidence that the government of California is directly linked to Hollywood and that it influences it decision making; nor do I have evidence that other powers, such as national political parties and even international interests such as corporations and foreign governments, use the massive money they donate to "the media/Hollywood" (for lack of a more specific way of wording it) to influence politics.

What I do know is that whenever this much power and this much money is gathered into one place only the worst of the worst are drawn to it; and that those within the media paid by those scum (both foreign and domestic) have been caught lying to me on multiple occasions about a variety of issues, both Trump related and in unrelated fields; I don't "blame" them as actors and commentators, it's their job and paycheck (and at the higher end of it, it's likewise their business at stake), but it leaves a bad taste in my mouth and makes it hard to trust them.

I don't question Takais experiences with the camps in the least; I think it's a - bluntly - fucking disgusting part of our history and one I've been aware of for just about as long as I've been politically aware; several musicians I was big fans of growing up talked about them and brought my attention to them by probably the age of 12-15. I grew up on Star Trek and have nothing but respect for him as an actor and... probably, though I don't know him... as a person.


Rather I question that the detention facilities are comparable to the camps, and by all evidence presented I cannot see them as being so; no more so than any other checkpoint could be compared to a camp. I have worked at McAllen, Silver City and in El Paso - both in a religious and secular context - with immigrants over the last decade and yeah; there were cages and simple cot beds, but it's because of both a lack of funding and the reality that we were dealing with *large* influxes of people and needing to build stuff on the fly as it was needed.

^It's gratifying to see that you admit to making claims without evidence. Very Christian of you.

Boru

(November 11, 2024 at 4:20 am)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: I don't have evidence that the government of California is directly linked to Hollywood and that it influences it decision making; nor do I have evidence that other powers, such as national political parties and even international interests such as corporations and foreign governments, use the massive money they donate to "the media/Hollywood" (for lack of a more specific way of wording it) to influence politics.

It's well documented that the Pentagon works actively with Hollywood to portray the military and US policy in general in a positive light. A movie like Top Gun couldn't get made without active government support, and couldn't get that support without serving as a commercial for the military.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military%E...nt_complex

I don't know if this is directly related to what you're talking about here, but there's no doubt that a huge industry like Hollywood, which serves as "soft power" foreign policy, is heavily mixed up with the government. 

There are many links and references in the Wikipedia article.

(November 11, 2024 at 6:52 am)Belacqua Wrote:

(November 11, 2024 at 4:20 am)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: I don't have evidence that the government of California is directly linked to Hollywood and that it influences it decision making; nor do I have evidence that other powers, such as national political parties and even international interests such as corporations and foreign governments, use the massive money they donate to "the media/Hollywood" (for lack of a more specific way of wording it) to influence politics.

It's well documented that the Pentagon works actively with Hollywood to portray the military and US policy in general in a positive light. A movie like Top Gun couldn't get made without active government support, and couldn't get that support without serving as a commercial for the military.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military%E...nt_complex

I don't know if this is directly related to what you're talking about here, but there's no doubt that a huge industry like Hollywood, which serves as "soft power" foreign policy, is heavily mixed up with the government. 

There are many links and references in the Wikipedia article.

I'll have to watch "Top Gun" again as I didn't realize it was really a documentary.  

Maybe I also missed the propaganda in "An Officer and a Gentleman".  I thought it was how-to on marrying a military officer.

(November 11, 2024 at 4:20 am)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: What I do know is that whenever this much power and this much money is gathered into one place only the worst of the worst are drawn to it; and that those within the media paid by those scum (both foreign and domestic) have been caught lying to me on multiple occasions about a variety of issues,

How much money does Trump and associates have? How much power do they have? How about Murdoch, or Bannon? They havent lied to you on multiple occasions?

(November 11, 2024 at 7:03 am)arewethereyet Wrote:

(November 11, 2024 at 6:52 am)Belacqua Wrote: It's well documented that the Pentagon works actively with Hollywood to portray the military and US policy in general in a positive light. A movie like Top Gun couldn't get made without active government support, and couldn't get that support without serving as a commercial for the military.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military%E...nt_complex

I don't know if this is directly related to what you're talking about here, but there's no doubt that a huge industry like Hollywood, which serves as "soft power" foreign policy, is heavily mixed up with the government. 

There are many links and references in the Wikipedia article.

I'll have to watch "Top Gun" again as I didn't realize it was really a documentary.  

It pains me to admit it, but he's right. There's that Broken-clock theory at work. Of course it's not a documentary; movies like that do serve as ads for the military. How successful, as ads, they are is open to question, but they certainly paint a picture of the military which is, shall we say, not entirely realistic -- and usually erring to the positive.

(November 11, 2024 at 4:20 am)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: Rather I question that the detention facilities are comparable to the camps, and by all evidence presented I cannot see them as being so; no more so than any other checkpoint could be compared to a camp. I have worked at McAllen, Silver City and in El Paso - both in a religious and secular context - with immigrants over the last decade and yeah; there were cages and simple cot beds, but it's because of both a lack of funding and the reality that we were dealing with *large* influxes of people and needing to build stuff on the fly as it was needed.

-and scene.  Knew it wouldn't take you long.

(November 11, 2024 at 11:28 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(November 11, 2024 at 7:03 am)arewethereyet Wrote: I'll have to watch "Top Gun" again as I didn't realize it was really a documentary.  

It pains me to admit it, but he's right. There's that Broken-clock theory at work. Of course it's not a documentary; movies like that do serve as ads for the military. How successful, as ads, they are is open to question, but they certainly paint a picture of the military which is, shall we say, not entirely realistic -- and usually erring to the positive.

I should have noted my smartassery.  I was in the military too...it ain't always pretty but then neither is everything in military movies.

I would be surprised if military movies didn't have guidance from DoD in the same way that medical shows have medical advisors on staff.

Quote:Brother.

Like, I get it - lol, troll the dumbass Christian till he leaves - but holy shit, even for trolling that was dumb as fuck.

Nah the only one engaging in trolling here is you. Were just counter your trolling and making you look ignorant and delusional in the process. Nah his state was excellent everything you said on this thread to this point is Grade A brain rot