I worry they never recover. That the master strategist keeps them up to this until he dies in office, at which point china swallows up russias eastern half, ukraine claims the western half, and whats left of russia proper turns into a shithole with global ngos onsite delivering food and heating fuel.

(December 26, 2024 at 12:11 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I worry they never recover.  That the master strategist keeps them up to this until he dies in office, at which point china swallows up russias eastern half, ukraine claims the western half, and whats left of russia proper turns into a shithole with global ngos onsite delivering food and heating fuel.

That is entirely possible. I was arguing the best-case scenario.

I think Russia will still be Russia. I don’t think anyone has any interest in taking territory from Russia. I’ve only heard that China might be interested in reclaiming some territories it lost to Russia in the 19th century. But otherwise, even South-Korea is not interested in a reunification with North-Korea at this point because it would require a lot of money to do reintegrate a completely undeveloped area into their own geography.
 
Yet I cannot say the same for Putin. He recently murdered the director of a men-only tourism agency:
 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-man-a...09324.html
 
This hatred toward homosexuals is very typical of fascist leaders. Even under communism there was no such prosecution toward homosexuals in Russia.

There was, ofc, it didn't come from nowhere.

(December 31, 2024 at 9:34 am)Leonardo17 Wrote: I think Russia will still be Russia. I don’t think anyone has any interest in taking territory from Russia. I’ve only heard that China might be interested in reclaiming some territories it lost to Russia in the 19th century. But otherwise, even South-Korea is not interested in a reunification with North-Korea at this point because it would require a lot of money to do reintegrate a completely undeveloped area into their own geography.
 
Yet I cannot say the same for Putin. He recently murdered the director of a men-only tourism agency:
 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-man-a...09324.html
 
This hatred toward homosexuals is very typical of fascist leaders. Even under communism there was no such prosecution toward homosexuals in Russia.

That is absolutely untrue.

Quote:Under Joseph Stalin, the Soviet Union recriminalized homosexuality in a decree signed in 1933. The new Article 121, which punished "muzhelozhstvo" with imprisonment for up tofive years, saw raids and arrests. Female homosexuals were sent to mental institutions. The decree was part of a broader campaign against "deviant" behavior and "Western degeneracy"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBTQ_history_in_Russia

Boru

(December 31, 2024 at 12:59 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(December 31, 2024 at 9:34 am)Leonardo17 Wrote: I think Russia will still be Russia. I don’t think anyone has any interest in taking territory from Russia. I’ve only heard that China might be interested in reclaiming some territories it lost to Russia in the 19th century. But otherwise, even South-Korea is not interested in a reunification with North-Korea at this point because it would require a lot of money to do reintegrate a completely undeveloped area into their own geography.
 
Yet I cannot say the same for Putin. He recently murdered the director of a men-only tourism agency:
 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-man-a...09324.html
 
This hatred toward homosexuals is very typical of fascist leaders. Even under communism there was no such prosecution toward homosexuals in Russia.

That is absolutely untrue.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBTQ_history_in_Russia

Boru

Quote:The Soviet government of the  (RSFSR) decriminalised homosexuality in December 1917, following the October Revolution and the discarding of the Legal Code of Tsarist Russia

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Official Soviet policy in both the RSFSR and the wider USSR in the 1920s on homosexuality fluctuated between toleration and support, attempts at legal equality and social rights for homosexual people, to open examples of state hostility against homosexuals and state attempts to classify homosexuality as "a mental disorder to be cured"

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The Bolsheviks also rescinded Tsarist legal bans on homosexual civil and political rights, especially in the area of state employment. In 1918, , a homosexual man who kept his homosexuality hidden, was appointed as People's Commissar for Foreign Affairs of the RSFSR. In 1923, Chicherin was also appointed People's Commissar for Foreign Affairs of the USSR, a position he held until 1930

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under Stalin, LGBT themes and issues faced increasing official government censorship and a uniformly harsher policy across the entire Soviet Union. 

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After Stalin died in 1953, he was replaced by , who proceeded to liberalize the Stalin era laws regarding marriage, divorce and abortion, but the anti-gay criminal law remained

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In the late 1950s some Soviet jurists attempted to decriminalise consensual sodomy. On 23 July 1959 a committee of Soviet jurists convened to discuss and propose changes to the new RSFSR republican criminal code. Two members of the committee proposed to eliminate the law penalising consensual sodomy, yet their proposal was not supported by other members of the committee.

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Thousands of people were imprisoned for homosexuality and government censorship of homosexuality and gay rights did not begin to slowly relax until the early 1970s,

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A poll conducted in 1989 reported that homosexuals were the most hated group in Russian society and that 30 percent of those polled felt that homosexuals should be liquidated

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So Soviet “science” is a bit different from Western Science. It is subjected to a political order that already knows the truth about everything. So Homosexuals were perceived as some sort of “sick” people. But this is not really the fault of the regime. Back when I was a kid (80’s, 90’s) many people shared this view. (In my experience) a shift from tolerance to understanding did not happen here until well into the 21st century.
 
But otherwise I think that these things existed, people knew that they existed and they would simply pretend not to see it. That’s what happened in many other places too. Even in Western Europe, you would attract attention if you held the hand of your partner in a public space (I’m talking about the mid 90’s).
 
But Putin is actually prosecuting them, scapegoating them. That more similar to Hitler than it is even to Stalin.
 
I mean who murders the director of a men-only travel agency?
 

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Trump is not going to solve the war in Ukraine in 24 hours:
 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-reject...28999.html
 

^How is the regime criminalizing homosexuality to the point of kicking down doors, arresting gays, sending gay men to prison, and gay women to mental institutions NOT the fault of the regime? 

Boru