Quote:Nope.

Yikes.

Yup you are pro-forced birth

Pro- Life really mean Pro-Forced Birth  

Pro- Choice means Anti-Forced Birth

(March 27, 2025 at 12:37 am)Fake Messiah Wrote:

(March 26, 2025 at 11:54 pm)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: "Pro-life" is probably just a nice way of saying, "anti-child killer" to be honest.

This is what "pro-life" means

Subsidizing pre-natal care is not the job of the state, nor is it your place to take money from the pockets of your fellow citizens at gun point to make it happen. You aren't the white knight in shining armor in that scenario, just the brown-shirt with a sharp haircut.

Not the job of the state to enforce maternal leave and if people have an *actual* problem with it they will make it known with their wallets and their picket lines; again, you aren't the hero for taking our money by force to do what's right, just a moderately dressed number in a bigger cog.

Should auto insurance companies be forced to give loans to people with dementia and complete and permanent despite the statistical probability it will cost them more than they make? The reality is that modernists, federalists and atheists (amongst countless other revolutionaries and radicals) have eroded countless social system that could provide charity-based assistance to these individuals *if* their fellow citizens actually cared.

A "social safety net" should be provided by society - not the state; again, that is simply not the role of a government; the sick reality is that when the government gets involved it begins to price lock competition out in favor of their favorites, *killing* safety nets for millions of lower class citizens by reducing choice and driving up costs. The only countries that have been able to succeed at this have been subsidized trillions of times over by America's economic support and continued support of Western hegemony of the global economy.

200,000 humans killed a day; 70-something million a year - killed in the name of ideology and heavily targeting ethnic minorities.

I just don't know how I can live with being morally chastised by such a fine gentleman of the delusion of death.

(March 27, 2025 at 12:37 am)The Architect Of Fate Wrote:

Quote:Semantics; opposing the "choice" to kill your child and thus allow it to continue to develop and live is "pro-life."

Nope it has nothing to do with being prop-life it's simply pro-control and anti-choice 

Quote:We are not interested in enslaving women; rather we are opposed to the idea that not all humans are granted the most basic of human right - life - and that we can pick and choose what humans do and deserve rights based on their physical traits.

Actually you are you don't give a damn about the fetus it's just an emotional cudgel used to strip women of their right bodily autonomy and turn them into second class citizens and incubators  

Quote:It's interesting you believe the pro-life stance is a religious one despite the number of atheists anti-abortionists - that's certainly a bit of a self taddle on atheism's inability to provide a moral framework, but the reality is that it is simply a pro-science, pro-life, pro-reason stance and nothing more.

Non sequitur the fact atheists can different opinions on abortion is in no way a point against atheism. Nope it's the Anti-science, Anti-choice, Anti-reason stance and nothing more.

Quote:Dehumanizing language is not becoming - those "microscopic clump of insentient cells" remain a human all the same - and I've know quite a few bad humans who engaged in the same language about groups they deemed inferior.

The fact the clumps genetically human is irrelevant and this has nothing racism or any of the other false comparisons you want to make

Four quotes; 
  - 4 deliberate misinterpretation strawmen arguments
  - 2 argumentum ad passiones (1 appeal to guilt, 1 argumentum ad metum and argumentum ad misericordiam) 
  - 1 ignoratio elenchi 
  - 1 dehumanizing rhetoric fallacy, moral exclusion bias
  - 1 argumentum ad ignorantiam

I'm sorry man, you gotta be a bit more serious if you want some actual engagement.

Quote:There was no non sequitur, however...

Four quotes; 
  - 4 deliberate misinterpretation strawmen arguments
  - 2 argumentum ad passiones (1 appeal to guilt, 1 argumentum ad metum and argumentum ad misericordiam) 
  - 1 ignoratio elenchi 
  - 1 dehumanizing rhetoric fallacy, moral exclusion bias
  - 1 argumentum ad ignorantiam

I'm sorry man, you gotta be a bit more serious if you want some actual engagement. 

Worry about your fallacies before looking for the log in my eye.

Actually it was a non sequitur and none of my statements were fallacious so no there is a huge log in your eye and I don't take your seriously so why the heck would I care that you don't take me seriously? and I don't if you engage you are going to lose anyway ....Nice try though

TheWhiteMarten Wrote:Subsidizing pre-natal care is not the job of the state

It is in Europe because they are actually pro life. But what would you know since you obviously don't give a shit.

TheWhiteMarten Wrote:200,000 humans killed a day

Zygotes and embryos are not humans.

Quote:Subsidizing pre-natal care is not the job of the state, nor is it your place to take money from the pockets of your fellow citizens at gun point to make it happen. You aren't the white knight in shining armor in that scenario, just the brown-shirt with a sharp haircut.

Actually it is the job of the state and no using taxes to fund it is neither morally wrong and has nothing to do with brown-shirts

Quote:Not the job of the state to enforce maternal leave and if people have an *actual* problem with it they will make it known with their wallets and their picket lines; again, you aren't the hero for taking our money by force to do what's right, just a moderately dressed number in a bigger cog.

Yes it is the job of the state to this and your solution is nonesense and he is a hero for doing the right thing

Quote:Should auto insurance companies be forced to give loans to people with dementia and complete and permanent despite the statistical probability it will cost them more than they make? The reality is that modernists, federalists and atheists (amongst countless other revolutionaries and radicals) have eroded countless social system that could provide charity-based assistance to these individuals *if* their fellow citizens actually cared.

charity-based assistance is inadequate and your analogy is dumb and is your solution

Quote:A "social safety net" should be provided by society - not the state; again, that is simply not the role of a government; the sick reality is that when the government gets involved it begins to price lock competition out in favor of their favorites, *killing* safety nets for millions of lower class citizens by reducing choice and driving up costs. The only countries that have been able to succeed at this have been subsidized trillions of times over by America's economic support and continued support of Western hegemony of the global economy.

Nope the state should do it and when it does it's good and the rest of this is blather and libertarian nonesense 

Quote:200,000 humans killed a day; 70-something million a year - killed in the name of ideology and heavily targeting ethnic minorities

Nope done in name of women's rights (were they were done voluntarily) There no targeting of minorities as those minorities get to make the choice  

Quote:I just don't know how I can live with being morally chastised by such a fine gentleman of the delusion of death.

You are morally chastised as everything you have sociopathic  conservative tripe

(March 27, 2025 at 1:54 am)Fake Messiah Wrote:

TheWhiteMarten Wrote:Subsidizing pre-natal care is not the job of the state

It is in Europe because they are actually pro life. But what would you know since you obviously don't give a shit.

TheWhiteMarten Wrote:200,000 humans killed a day

Zygotes and embryos are not humans.

Just empty conservative/libertarian rhetoric

(March 27, 2025 at 1:54 am)Fake Messiah Wrote:

TheWhiteMarten Wrote:Subsidizing pre-natal care is not the job of the state

It is in Europe because they are actually pro life. But what would you know since you obviously don't give a shit.

I am aware of how Europe runs their governments nowadays; the fact that I disregard their failures of being worth "giving a shit about" does not mean I am disinterested in them; quite the opposite - I have almost grown a sense of melancholic schadenfreude of karma's design over the whole affair.

TheWhiteMarten Wrote:200,000 humans killed a day

Quote:Zygotes and embryos are not humans.

Well, that's just objectively unscientific.

(March 27, 2025 at 2:08 am)The Architect Of Fate Wrote:

(March 27, 2025 at 1:54 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: It is in Europe because they are actually pro life. But what would you know since you obviously don't give a shit.



Zygotes and embryos are not humans.

Just empty conservative/libertarian rhetoric

Doubling down on dehumanizing rhetoric sure seems like a bold strategy, let's see if it works for them...