(April 1, 2025 at 6:22 am)al-amiyr Wrote:

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Let's categorize the responses based on their expressed opinions and sentiments toward Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and Islam, broadly grouping them into themes for clarity:

Neutral or Uninterested
BrianSoddingBoru4: Indifferent, noting that nothing negative specifically comes to mind.

Brewer: Lacks interest in discussions about Muhammad, remembers the controversy about depictions but is otherwise unengaged.

Concerns About Safety and Censorship
Neo-Scholastic: Expresses fear of speaking negatively about Islam publicly due to safety concerns for his family, implying there are dangers associated with criticizing Islam.

Philosophical or Theological Disbelief
Astreja: Rejects the concept of prophethood and divinity, viewing Muhammad as a non-divine figure making false claims.

Accusations of Immoral or Criminal Behavior
Pedophilia and Sexual Misconduct: Multiple users (e.g., Fake Messiah, Deesse23, Rev. Rye) criticize the Prophet (PBUH) for his marriage to Aisha (RA) at a young age, extending this to accusations of pedophilia and even rape. (Note: These will be addressed, showing that there is nothing in the hundreds of hadiths indicating the marriage with Aisha (RA) was consummated at age nine or any age. The original compound word in Arabic does not mean 'consummated.' I will demonstrate this from the original sources.)

Necrophilia: Fake Messiah claims the Prophet (PBUH) engaged in necrophilia; however, this claim is totally incorrect.

Homosexuality and Inappropriate Behavior: Fake Messiah also accuses the Prophet (PBUH) of homosexual tendencies and inappropriate behavior with children, referencing Islamic texts. (This claim too is a misrepresentation of the facts and will be addressed.)

Criticism of Followers and Alleged Inspirations for Violence
Thumpalumpacus: Criticizes the Prophet (PBUH) for allegedly inspiring the 9/11 terrorists.

Rev. Rye: Criticizes the Prophet's (PBUH) followers for recent violent acts like bombing music concerts.

BrianSoddingBoru4: Notes that followers of other religions also commit violence, suggesting the problem is with religion generally.

Historical Criticism or Acknowledgment of Time-Period Norms
The Grand Nudger: Views the Prophet (PBUH) as a typical warlord of his time, not exceptionally negative compared to others like Brennus or Cao Cao.

General Disdain or Dismissal
zebo-the-fat: Expresses distrust of anyone who believes in "invisible friends," implying a general skepticism of religious beliefs.

Ivan Denisovich: Criticizes the Prophet (PBUH) for allegedly creating more religious division and making unsubstantiated miraculous claims.

Angrboda: Dislikes the aspects of the Prophe'st (PBUH) life involving raiding and violence but notes a general issue with religious 'fan clubs.'

Inquiry About Sectarian Affiliation
Mister Agenda: Inquires about your sectarian affiliation (Sunni, Shia, or other), indicating an interest in understanding your specific perspective within Islam. (I will address this also)

This categorization helps identify the range of views expressed in response to my question and the common themes in the responses.

The most common claim or concern or most common negativity among the comments centers around the marriage of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) to Aisha (RA) at a young age, which several commenters refer to, using it to criticize the the Prophet (PBUH) for pedophilia and related sexual misconduct. This aspect is highlighted by users like Fake Messiah, Deesse23, and Rev. Rye, and it appears to be the focal point of negativity for those who are critical of the Prophet's character based on the available translated historical accounts. Because this has been the most common claim or concern, it will be the top focus of my responses. I am ready to approach this with an open mind and come to a rational conclusion based on the real facts, and I hope that you too are open to this.

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What are your views?

Al-Amiyr
01 April 2025

(April 1, 2025 at 8:17 am)arewethereyet Wrote:

(April 1, 2025 at 6:22 am)al-amiyr Wrote:

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Let's categorize the responses based on their expressed opinions and sentiments toward Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and Islam, broadly grouping them into themes for clarity:

Neutral or Uninterested
BrianSoddingBoru4: Indifferent, noting that nothing negative specifically comes to mind.

Brewer: Lacks interest in discussions about Muhammad, remembers the controversy about depictions but is otherwise unengaged.

Concerns About Safety and Censorship
Neo-Scholastic: Expresses fear of speaking negatively about Islam publicly due to safety concerns for his family, implying there are dangers associated with criticizing Islam.

Philosophical or Theological Disbelief
Astreja: Rejects the concept of prophethood and divinity, viewing Muhammad as a non-divine figure making false claims.

Accusations of Immoral or Criminal Behavior
Pedophilia and Sexual Misconduct: Multiple users (e.g., Fake Messiah, Deesse23, Rev. Rye) criticize the Prophet (PBUH) for his marriage to Aisha (RA) at a young age, extending this to accusations of pedophilia and even rape. (Note: These will be addressed, showing that there is nothing in the hundreds of hadiths indicating the marriage with Aisha (RA) was consummated at age nine or any age. The original compound word in Arabic does not mean 'consummated.' I will demonstrate this from the original sources.)

Necrophilia: Fake Messiah claims the Prophet (PBUH) engaged in necrophilia; however, this claim is totally incorrect.

Homosexuality and Inappropriate Behavior: Fake Messiah also accuses the Prophet (PBUH) of homosexual tendencies and inappropriate behavior with children, referencing Islamic texts. (This claim too is a misrepresentation of the facts and will be addressed.)

Criticism of Followers and Alleged Inspirations for Violence
Thumpalumpacus: Criticizes the Prophet (PBUH) for allegedly inspiring the 9/11 terrorists.

Rev. Rye: Criticizes the Prophet's (PBUH) followers for recent violent acts like bombing music concerts.

BrianSoddingBoru4: Notes that followers of other religions also commit violence, suggesting the problem is with religion generally.

Historical Criticism or Acknowledgment of Time-Period Norms
The Grand Nudger: Views the Prophet (PBUH) as a typical warlord of his time, not exceptionally negative compared to others like Brennus or Cao Cao.

General Disdain or Dismissal
zebo-the-fat: Expresses distrust of anyone who believes in "invisible friends," implying a general skepticism of religious beliefs.

Ivan Denisovich: Criticizes the Prophet (PBUH) for allegedly creating more religious division and making unsubstantiated miraculous claims.

Angrboda: Dislikes the aspects of the Prophe'st (PBUH) life involving raiding and violence but notes a general issue with religious 'fan clubs.'

Inquiry About Sectarian Affiliation
Mister Agenda: Inquires about your sectarian affiliation (Sunni, Shia, or other), indicating an interest in understanding your specific perspective within Islam. (I will address this also)

This categorization helps identify the range of views expressed in response to my question and the common themes in the responses.

The most common claim or concern or most common negativity among the comments centers around the marriage of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) to Aisha (RA) at a young age, which several commenters refer to, using it to criticize the the Prophet (PBUH) for pedophilia and related sexual misconduct. This aspect is highlighted by users like Fake Messiah, Deesse23, and Rev. Rye, and it appears to be the focal point of negativity for those who are critical of the Prophet's character based on the available translated historical accounts. Because this has been the most common claim or concern, it will be the top focus of my responses. I am ready to approach this with an open mind and come to a rational conclusion based on the real facts, and I hope that you too are open to this.

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What are your views?

Al-Amiyr
01 April 2025

I think you are here, on an atheist forum, to preach your beliefs and to try to convince us that your belief system is correct.

Pretty boring.  It's been done before.  You have nothing new or compelling to present.

(April 1, 2025 at 9:29 am)al-amiyr Wrote:

(April 1, 2025 at 8:17 am)arewethereyet Wrote: I think you are here, on an atheist forum, to preach your beliefs and to try to convince us that your belief system is correct.

Pretty boring.  It's been done before.  You have nothing new or compelling to present.

Is this forum exclusively for atheists? Should I not correct any false beliefs about my religion? Or do you believe that I should not have the right to voice them? What I am going to reveal here has never been conveyed on this platform before, and I will show you that it will be compelling. So, why the pre-judgment?

(April 1, 2025 at 9:35 am)arewethereyet Wrote:

(April 1, 2025 at 9:29 am)al-amiyr Wrote: Is this forum exclusively for atheists? Should I not correct any false beliefs about my religion? Or do you believe that I should not have the right to voice them? What I am going to reveal here has never been conveyed on this platform before, and I will show you that it will be compelling. So, why the pre-judgment?

No, this forum is not exclusively for atheists but you should maybe read the room.

You are far from the first to come here to try to convince the people on the forum that your religion is right.

The pre-judgment, as you call it, is actually experience speaking.

(April 1, 2025 at 9:43 am)al-amiyr Wrote:

(April 1, 2025 at 9:35 am)arewethereyet Wrote: No, this forum is not exclusively for atheists but you should maybe read the room.

You are far from the first to come here to try to convince the people on the forum that your religion is right.

The pre-judgment, as you call it, is actually experience speaking.

So, what do you expect from me to do here?

(April 1, 2025 at 6:22 am)al-amiyr Wrote: Criticism of Followers and Alleged Inspirations for Violence
Thumpalumpacus: Criticizes the Prophet (PBUH) for allegedly inspiring the 9/11 terrorists.

(April 1, 2025 at 9:45 am)arewethereyet Wrote:

(April 1, 2025 at 9:43 am)al-amiyr Wrote: So, what do you expect from me to do here?

What is it that you expect from us?  Are you looking for converts?  Are you hoping to get members here to suddenly think that all the negatives are really positive?  What is your agenda?

(April 1, 2025 at 9:43 am)al-amiyr Wrote:

(April 1, 2025 at 9:35 am)arewethereyet Wrote: No, this forum is not exclusively for atheists but you should maybe read the room.

You are far from the first to come here to try to convince the people on the forum that your religion is right.

The pre-judgment, as you call it, is actually experience speaking.

So, what do you expect from me to do here?

(April 1, 2025 at 9:45 am)arewethereyet Wrote:

(April 1, 2025 at 9:43 am)al-amiyr Wrote: So, what do you expect from me to do here?

What is it that you expect from us?  Are you looking for converts?  Are you hoping to get members here to suddenly think that all the negatives are really positive?  What is your agenda?