If Any, What is Your Most Negative View on Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)?

[al-amiyr]

My agenda is to show with evidence that opinions formulated about the Prophet (PBUH) that he was a pedophile (for having had sexual relations with Aisha (RA)) is not based on any Islamic historical or hadith source. I have conducted a 13 year research on the matter and it is the deepest ever done in all of history.

And how will we determine whether you are presenting a fair, impartial, and representative case in the matter.  I'm relatively science literate.  I know that if I put a little effort into selecting my sources, I could support or undermine almost any scientific hypothesis.  How will we know that you aren't similarly exploiting ignorance and unfamiliarity to an unjust result?

Btw, regardless of whether Mohammed slept with Aisha or not, it is still child abuse, given the vast disparity in power and status between the two and the age of Aisha.  Marrying children who are unable to meaningfully consent may be a different form of abuse, but it is still abuse.  Is having sex with your wife, regardless of age, ever wrong according to Islam?

I would say that you should have a look at my presentations and make a good judgement after that. And I have no doubt that you would find everything 100 accurate.

[arewethereyet]

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[BrianSoddingBoru4]

@al-amiyr


Whether or not Muhammad had sex with a 9 year old is immaterial. Sexually appropriate behaviour is a culturally relative phenomenon. If the claim is true, then it was appropriate for 7th century Arabia, as evidenced by the fact that the Prophet wasn’t denounced for it. Simply because we find ancient cultural mores to be repugnant is beside the point.

I’ll go so far as to say the vilification of Muhammad over this has a lot to do with his status as a religious figure. I notice that no one seems to get up in arms over the Greek practice of paiderastia or the Roman tradition of exposing weak or malformed infants.

Boru

Neither Greece nor Rome have assumed the role of authority for a transcendent moral order.

Which is what I said earlier, but thank you.

Boru

[Deesse23]

I have conducted a 13 year research on the matter and it is the deepest ever done in all of history.

Then why do you plan on revealing your awesome work in this insignificant forum of all places in the world? Why arent you already debating the most well-educated and experienced scholars? Who don't i read in newspapers and hear on TV about your findings?

Great. I will start with a new thread outlining the Table of Contents covering 100 chapters of the most horrendous claims made about the marriage of Aisha (RA) and the claim that the Prophet (PBUH) was a pedophile.

How often do you think did how many internet lunatics made similar claims and tried to drown us all in bullshit? Neither the amount of bullshit you are planning to throw at us nor the strength of your belief in your bullshit will impress anyone but yourself. For whom/what are you doing this?

So, before you try to open the gates and flood us with all the results of your groundbreaking research, please stop for a minute and contemplate.....what if you are wrong, what if you are going to make a complete fool out of yourself?....and for what reason? For a religious belief in an all powerful GOD who certainly would not need someone like you (or me for that matter) to convince everyone else on the planet if he really wanted to?

[Angrboda]

Neither Greece nor Rome have assumed the role of authority for a transcendent moral order.

Which is what I said earlier, but thank you.

Boru

I don't see that you did.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Which is what I said earlier, but thank you.

Boru

I don't see that you did.

I’ll go so far as to say the vilification of Muhammad over this has a lot to do with his status as a religious figure.

Boru

[Angrboda]

I don't see that you did.

I’ll go so far as to say the vilification of Muhammad over this has a lot to do with his status as a religious figure.

Boru

I saw that. I stand behind what I wrote. I think you are conflating different things. The content of a religious figure's claims is not generally understood as being the same thing as their status as a religious figure. You can be a religious figure without positing a transcendent moral order. Case in point, Kim Il Sung and Juche. Having status as a religious figure does not entail what I noted.

[brewer]

edit: Until @al-amiyrcan provide convincing/concrete evidence that the prophets god exists as something more than a concept (the same as all other gods) then he can talk till the cows come home and it won't change my mind. The most it will provide me is insight of al-amiyr. His claim of "I have conducted a 13 year research on the matter and it is the deepest ever done in all of history." tells me quite a bit about him.

[Mister Agenda]

This is the main reason I wanted to know if the OP was Sunni or Shia. Sunni usually try to make Aisha as young as possible because it's then more miraculous that she was able to transmit the Quran. Shia tend to estimate her as considerably older (as old as 20, I think), since they believe the faith was transmitted through Mohammed's step-cousin Ali. It would be interesting if a Sunni took the position that she was older, kind of expected from a Shia.

[Angrboda]

This is the main reason I wanted to know if the OP was Sunni or Shia. Sunni usually try to make Aisha as young as possible because it's then more miraculous that she was able to transmit the Quran. Shia tend to estimate her as considerably older (as old as 20, I think), since they believe the faith was transmitted through Mohammed's step-cousin Ali. It would be interesting if a Sunni took the position that she was older, kind of expected from a Shia.

Which abets my initial complaint regarding the potential of bias.