If Any, What is Your Most Negative View on Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)?

[arewethereyet]

What is it that you expect from us?  Are you looking for converts?  Are you hoping to get members here to suddenly think that all the negatives are really positive?  What is your agenda?

My agenda is to show with evidence that opinions formulated about the Prophet (PBUH) that he was a pedophile (for having had sexual relations with Aisha (RA)) is not based on any Islamic historical or hadith source. I have conducted a 13 year research on the matter and it is the deepest ever done in all of history.

You are able to refute everything that has been written/said about this...amazing.  Let's hear it.

[al-amiyr]

What is it that you expect from us?  Are you looking for converts?  Are you hoping to get members here to suddenly think that all the negatives are really positive?  What is your agenda?

I would be interested in reading Al-Amiyr's corrections of common perspectives about Islam, based on his scholarly sources.  It might just be apologetics, but it would still be interesting coming from a more-informed source.  

However, that would seem to be a lot of work for him without much hope of changing our overall perspectives.

Great. I will start with a new thread outlining the Table of Contents covering 100 chapters of the most horrendous claims made about the marriage of Aisha (RA) and the claim that the Prophet (PBUH) was a pedophile. According to the top five AI systems, this Table of Contents is the most structurally complex ever produced in human literature.

[arewethereyet]

I would be interested in reading Al-Amiyr's corrections of common perspectives about Islam, based on his scholarly sources.  It might just be apologetics, but it would still be interesting coming from a more-informed source.  

However, that would seem to be a lot of work for him without much hope of changing our overall perspectives.

Great. I will start with a new thread outlining the Table of Contents covering 100 chapters of the most horrendous claims made about the marriage of Aisha (RA) and the claim that the Prophet (PBUH) was a pedophile. According to the top five AI systems, this Table of Contents is the most structurally complex ever produced in human literature.

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[al-amiyr]

Great. I will start with a new thread outlining the Table of Contents covering 100 chapters of the most horrendous claims made about the marriage of Aisha (RA) and the claim that the Prophet (PBUH) was a pedophile. According to the top five AI systems, this Table of Contents is the most structurally complex ever produced in human literature.

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As of yet, I have not posted this Table of Contents in any Forum. And it is important for the topic.

[arewethereyet]

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As of yet, I have not posted this Table of Contents in any Forum. And it is important for the topic.

Read the words again.

[Angrboda]

What is it that you expect from us?  Are you looking for converts?  Are you hoping to get members here to suddenly think that all the negatives are really positive?  What is your agenda?

My agenda is to show with evidence that opinions formulated about the Prophet (PBUH) that he was a pedophile (for having had sexual relations with Aisha (RA)) is not based on any Islamic historical or hadith source. I have conducted a 13 year research on the matter and it is the deepest ever done in all of history.

And how will we determine whether you are presenting a fair, impartial, and representative case in the matter. I'm relatively science literate. I know that if I put a little effort into selecting my sources, I could support or undermine almost any scientific hypothesis. How will we know that you aren't similarly exploiting ignorance and unfamiliarity to an unjust result?

Btw, regardless of whether Mohammed slept with Aisha or not, it is still child abuse, given the vast disparity in power and status between the two and the age of Aisha. Marrying children who are unable to meaningfully consent may be a different form of abuse, but it is still abuse. Is having sex with your wife, regardless of age, ever wrong according to Islam?

[Alan V]

I would be interested in reading Al-Amiyr's corrections of common perspectives about Islam, based on his scholarly sources.  It might just be apologetics, but it would still be interesting coming from a more-informed source.  

However, that would seem to be a lot of work for him without much hope of changing our overall perspectives.

Great. I will start with a new thread outlining the Table of Contents covering 100 chapters of the most horrendous claims made about the marriage of Aisha (RA) and the claim that the Prophet (PBUH) was a pedophile. According to the top five AI systems, this Table of Contents is the most structurally complex ever produced in human literature.

Just summaries of your opinions on such issues would be appropriate for this forum.  That is largely what people do here, share their opinions on a range of topics.

[Neo-Scholastic]

@Al-Amiy, I gave 3 specific examples of people who criticized Mohommed. One remains in hiding bcs of death threats and the other two were stabbed, one of which died. So tell me again, do you praise or condemn those specific instances of violence in the name of your prophet?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

@al-amiyr

What are your views?

Whether or not Muhammad had sex with a 9 year old is immaterial. Sexually appropriate behaviour is a culturally relative phenomenon. If the claim is true, then it was appropriate for 7th century Arabia, as evidenced by the fact that the Prophet wasn’t denounced for it. Simply because we find ancient cultural mores to be repugnant is beside the point.

I’ll go so far as to say the vilification of Muhammad over this has a lot to do with his status as a religious figure. I notice that no one seems to get up in arms over the Greek practice of paiderastia or the Roman tradition of exposing weak or malformed infants.

Boru

[Angrboda]

@al-amiyr

What are your views?

Whether or not Muhammad had sex with a 9 year old is immaterial. Sexually appropriate behaviour is a culturally relative phenomenon. If the claim is true, then it was appropriate for 7th century Arabia, as evidenced by the fact that the Prophet wasn’t denounced for it. Simply because we find ancient cultural mores to be repugnant is beside the point.

I’ll go so far as to say the vilification of Muhammad over this has a lot to do with his status as a religious figure. I notice that no one seems to get up in arms over the Greek practice of paiderastia or the Roman tradition of exposing weak or malformed infants.

Boru

Neither Greece nor Rome have assumed the role of authority for a transcendent moral order.