(January 4, 2012 at 4:24 pm)Perhaps Wrote: That is not good justice in a legal sense, but it is good justice in the sense that, out of love, the people's sins were forgiven.

Its not good justice in any sense. What kind of fucked up judge allows an innocent bystander to voluntary suffer the conviction of the guilty party's crimes and pass sentence onto them instead? If God loves man he should tell Jesus to mind his own business and pass on a minor conviction, where it doesn't affect us, but serves as a severe warning instead. Oh sorry, I'm judging scriptures written by goat herders by today's standards aren't I? Silly me.

Quote:Imagine being a father and knowing your son was as immoral as they come, but given the option of taking his place on death row - would you?

Fuck love. Were it my son and he happily murdered other people, committing all sorts of crimes against humanity - I'd disown him and let the bastard frog-spawn fry.

(January 4, 2012 at 4:59 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: It's based on a deities sacrifice of itself.

As far as works of fiction go gods/deities can't sacrifice themselves otherwise they would not be gods/deities. Guess your religion is based on... nothing.

(January 4, 2012 at 5:12 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Everything rests on Jesus himself.

Everything rests on the concept of original sin. Without the fall of Adam and Eve, Jesus accomplished absolutely nothing.

Evolution debunks an Adam and Eve screwing up in Eden story. Even my old religious teacher thought it as nothing more than symbolism in Genesis and not to be taken literally by xtians.

Buncha fucking monkeys. Sharpened sticks and fire, and what? Fear, in spades, of every-fucking-thing.

How often is that seen in the animal kingdom? I'm thinking lionesses do the work, drop it in front of the old leo. Wolves, to the patriarch... buncha monkeys to their monkey god...

But it's supernatural... Assholes. I mean, I want an A-K. I wanna go outside...

Have you accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior?

Then yer already lost. Blammo!

(Yeah, rantocannon locked an loaded, this day)

Quote:Is a religion based on human sacrifice moral and ethical?

In context,of course it's moral.

Morality is relative,not absolute. It it is based on pragmatism,not some transcendent external authority.That's why morality varies depending on place and time.

Human sacrifice has been endemic throughout history,from Sumeria,to Meso America to ancient China and India. The reasons (especially the underlying function) can be simple or complex. Participants seem to always understand the gravity of the situation and have a logical rationale in context. (usually a syllogism,based on false premises*.like religious beliefs generally)


I guess it might be OK if we sacrificed the odd virgin, as long as the event was televised free to air..


* by 'false' I mean 'unproven"

(January 4, 2012 at 4:17 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: Is a religion based on human sacrifice moral and ethical?

Over the ages, a number of pagan religions have based their theology around the notion that God needs or wants sacrifices. This phenomena has been recorded on many continents from various tribes and peoples who had no knowledge of each other.

I find it strange that God, any God, would be pleased or able to be bribed by some sacrifice, be it human or not. Seems like it is just humans thinking they can somehow change God’s mind about anything from the weather, the forgiveness of sin or a better crop.

Can God be bribed by accepting burnt offerings such as virgins being thrown into volcanoes, meat or crops?

Can God be bought off so cheaply?

What of Jesus our brother?

Psalm 49:7
None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

If Christianity is based on human sacrifice, it seems to me that that would be immoral and unethical. It would mean that the innocent was murdered while the guilty were allowed to walk away. That is not good justice. Good justice says that the guilty pay and the innocent go free.

Is religious human sacrifice moral, ethical and good justice?

Regards
DL

Fr0d0 is correct, no human was or has ever been sacrificed to God. Christ was a sacrifice for mankind and God made the sacrifice not man. Christ accepted being a sacrifice before creation because he knew man would disobey God. God did not bring sin into the world man did, the loving God could not have committed such an evil act. The justice God gives comes through love and for no other reason.

Your godboy was a scapegoat...these are wll known throughout history

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scapegoating

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/scapegoat


Sounds awfully like your godboy mate to me

(January 5, 2012 at 5:11 am)Godschild Wrote: Fr0d0 is correct, no human was or has ever been sacrificed to God. Christ was a sacrifice for mankind and God made the sacrifice not man. Christ accepted being a sacrifice before creation because he knew man would disobey God. God did not bring sin into the world man did, the loving God could not have committed such an evil act. The justice God gives comes through love and for no other reason.

Really?

Then how about this.....

"Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

And I still maintain that jesus's sacrifice was no sacrifice at all as he went straight up to heaven(which he knew he would do).

A sacrifice is when you give something up, jesus gave up NOTHING (except the prospect of another 20 years or so of living in the shit in Palestine).

If on the other hand he'd volunteered to take the place of even one person in hell, that would've been a genuine sacrifice.

But this? this is nothing. Certainly nothing worthy of worship.

Quote:Christianity, we are told, bequeathed to the modern secular West a fundamental aversion to the idea of the scapegoat, since Christ, the God-man, freely allowed himself to be scapegoated in order to assume all our sins, and in doing so shamed us forever. And yet in practice almost everybody who claims to be opposed to the scapegoating of particular groups, be they 1950s Hollywood film producers or contemporary Western Muslims, seems compelled to substitute an even greater scapegoat for the lesser one, as if in some act of spiritual compensation.

Just some Aussie's opinion.... Full Story here

(January 5, 2012 at 5:32 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Your godboy was a scapegoat...these are wll known throughout history

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scapegoating

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/scapegoat


Sounds awfully like your godboy mate to me

Doesn't at all sound like Jesus, no one made him a sacrifice he willingly went to the cross for the sake of mankind. Scapegoat has a negative connotation to it, everything Christ accomplished was positive.

(January 5, 2012 at 6:00 am)Godschild Wrote:

(January 5, 2012 at 5:32 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Your godboy was a scapegoat...these are wll known throughout history

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scapegoating

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/scapegoat


Sounds awfully like your godboy mate to me

Doesn't at all sound like Jesus, no one made him a sacrifice he willingly went to the cross for the sake of mankind. Scapegoat has a negative connotation to it, everything Christ accomplished was positive.

Sorry pumpkin but it does...YOU may not want to see it but it is there for all to see.... Not interested in "negative or positive" just what IS

(January 5, 2012 at 6:00 am)Godschild Wrote:

(January 5, 2012 at 5:32 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Your godboy was a scapegoat...these are wll known throughout history

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scapegoating

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/scapegoat


Sounds awfully like your godboy mate to me

Doesn't at all sound like Jesus, no one made him a sacrifice he willingly went to the cross for the sake of mankind. Scapegoat has a negative connotation to it, everything Christ accomplished was positive.

Again I ask GC, where is the sacrifice???? what did jesus give up?