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RE: Is a religion based on human sacrifice moral and ethical?
January 10, 2012 at 5:07 pm
(January 4, 2012 at 4:17 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: If Christianity is based on human sacrifice, it seems to me that that would be immoral and unethical.
That's a big if. Christianity isn't based on human sacrifice. Jesus was, if you believe this sort of thing, the son of God which makes him at best only half-human. But actually, the argument goes that Jesus was God incarnate. Christianity, then, is actually based on God sacrificing some part of himself.
And even then it's not just a simple nail-me-to-the-cross sacrifice. It's a redeeming sacrifice. Which means that God actually bought something on behalf of all mankind. The price he paid was sacrifing some part of himself. What is it that he bought? Eternal life for all those who want it.
The foundations of Christianity are often misunderstood. 
As for morality and ethics. If God buys something for you and wants to give it to you as a free gift, what's wrong with that? Dont you like buying gifts for your loved ones? I wish someone would buy something for me, like Enigma's latest CD. Enigma's really sexy. Try shagging to it sometime.
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RE: Is a religion based on human sacrifice moral and ethical?
January 10, 2012 at 5:13 pm
(This post was last modified: January 10, 2012 at 6:05 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Who did he buy it from, and adjusting for inflation, what would it's value be today?
(holds out five dollars with his right hand and takes it with his left...demanding a receipt)
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RE: Is a religion based on human sacrifice moral and ethical?
January 10, 2012 at 5:40 pm
(This post was last modified: January 10, 2012 at 5:41 pm by Oldandeasilyconfused.)
Quote:The foundations of Christianity are often misunderstood.
Mainly by Christians
Telling people they don't understand (implying that you do) is one of the more patronising and annoying ad hominems. Most of the non believers here actually understand the history of Christianity very well indeed.
As it turns out,the sacrificed and resurrected god is a common theme in many religions. Christianity does NOT teach that Jesus was a demigod,but BOTH fully god and fully man. By that teaching Jesus was indeed ALSO a human sacrifice.
Quote:As for morality and ethics. If God buys something for you and wants to give it to you as a free gift, what's wrong with that?
WHAT? Are you trying to make that clumsy analogy an argument for the existence of a transcendent moral code?
The gift was conditional, not free; obey his rules,or he will hurt you.
Quote:Dont you like buying gifts for your loved ones?
Are you comparing me with a divine being?
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RE: Is a religion based on human sacrifice moral and ethical?
January 11, 2012 at 3:26 pm
Quote: (January 10, 2012 at 5:07 pm)JudgeDracoAmunRa Wrote: (January 4, 2012 at 4:17 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: If Christianity is based on human sacrifice, it seems to me that that would be immoral and unethical.
That's a big if. Christianity isn't based on human sacrifice. Jesus was, if you believe this sort of thing, the son of God which makes him at best only half-human. But actually, the argument goes that Jesus was God incarnate. Christianity, then, is actually based on God sacrificing some part of himself.
And even then it's not just a simple nail-me-to-the-cross sacrifice. It's a redeeming sacrifice. Which means that God actually bought something on behalf of all mankind. The price he paid was sacrifing some part of himself. What is it that he bought? Eternal life for all those who want it.
For something to be a sacrifice, there must be someone who gives something of value and someone who recieves or accepts it.
In sacrificing Jesus/God to Jesus/God, what was lost to one and gained by another?
Quote:The foundations of Christianity are often misunderstood.
They are understood and rejected by many. Knowing of all the sects out there, it seems that many within Christianity do not have a clue.
Have a look at the foundations of one sect while remembering that all the sects were formed basically the same way.
http://www.milkandcookies.com/link/59507/detail/
Quote:As for morality and ethics. If God buys something for you and wants to give it to you as a free gift, what's wrong with that? Dont you like buying gifts for your loved ones? I wish someone would buy something for me, like Enigma's latest CD. Enigma's really sexy. Try shagging to it sometime.
Gifts are bought or given to please the receiver and answer their desires and not the desires of the giver. Using your example, you would like an Enigma C D and not a Pink Floyd one. The buyer would serve your desires and not his own even if the P F CD was on sale. Right?
Are you saying you desired that an innocent man should die for you? If not, then God would not offer it. Right?
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RE: Is a religion based on human sacrifice moral and ethical?
January 13, 2012 at 11:06 pm
(This post was last modified: January 13, 2012 at 11:06 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
People give terrible gifts all the time, if we accept the christian dogma as fact it becomes easy to see who we inherited this annoying behavior from, our heavenly father. You know who else offers suicide to make their love interests happy? Seriously disturbed stalker types......
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RE: Is a religion based on human sacrifice moral and ethical?
January 14, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Quote: (January 13, 2012 at 11:06 pm)Rhythm Wrote: People give terrible gifts all the time,
Yes. This shows how little we know or care for each other and our likes and dislikes now a days. Our affluence, having much of what we want as well as need does not help.
Quote: if we accept the christian dogma as fact it becomes easy to see who we inherited this annoying behavior from, our heavenly father. You know who else offers suicide to make their love interests happy? Seriously disturbed stalker types......
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RE: Is a religion based on human sacrifice moral and ethical?
January 14, 2012 at 9:06 pm
All this talk of sacrifice is making me crazy. What sacrifice? According to all Christians I've spoken to, the Jesus-character isn't dead. That means he did not sacrifice his life. Instead he supposedly ascended to heaven to be Master of the Universe. That's the Deal of the Millennium, not a sacrifice! He gave up nothing and gained everything. There was no sacrifice.
Sheesh.
The Judas character made the sacrifice. He supposedly traded his position in heaven so that the Christians could have their salvation. Now there's a sacrifice!
That said, Christians believe that Jesus's sacrifice was a sacrifice, and have a cross to prove it, and so Christians clearly wallow in human sacrifice while claiming they don't.
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Is a religion based on human sacrifice moral and ethical?
January 16, 2012 at 4:57 pm
(January 14, 2012 at 9:06 pm)dloubet Wrote: All this talk of sacrifice is making me crazy. What sacrifice? According to all Christians I've spoken to, the Jesus-character isn't dead. That means he did not sacrifice his life. Instead he supposedly ascended to heaven to be Master of the Universe. That's the Deal of the Millennium, not a sacrifice! He gave up nothing and gained everything. There was no sacrifice.
Sheesh.
The Judas character made the sacrifice. He supposedly traded his position in heaven so that the Christians could have their salvation. Now there's a sacrifice!
That said, Christians believe that Jesus's sacrifice was a sacrifice, and have a cross to prove it, and so Christians clearly wallow in human sacrifice while claiming they don't.
I asked GC the same question and he told me I wouldn't understand the answer because I'm not Christian 
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