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To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
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RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
(September 22, 2025 at 2:37 am)panpan Wrote: Since only intelligence can create Intelligence, which is stated by the second law of logic based on the first, the intelligent person will try to find the intelligent creator of the intelligent DNA, using his logic!

This indicates only that your "second law" is irredeemably flawed.
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#82
RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
(September 22, 2025 at 4:17 am)panpan Wrote: Of course, Artificial Intelligence does not have its own intelligence, it is intelligence that has been given to it by intelligent beings, that is, by us. It will be its own when it can maintain and reproduce itself, which will not be long in coming technologically.

This proves that only intelligence can create intelligence.

Apparently, you've missed the bit where you admitted that AI doesn't have intelligence. You don't seem to be intelligent enough to understand what you're saying, much less what anybody else is. This proves that nnot only does intelligence not create intelligence, but on a bad day it isn't even capable of understanding intelligence.

Quote:As it proves that intelligence is a form of energy that can manifest itself both biologically and technologically as everything is energy that manifests itself in different ways.

If it's a form of energy then it has mass, per the famous E=mc2 equation that you referenced earlier. Kindly tell me how much mass intelligence has.

Quote:But now we have the absolute laws of logic that logically show us the right direction to search and the first step they show us is that life is intelligent!

Your 'absolute laws' are neither absolute nor laws. They're grandiose titles that you've given your whimsies. 'Intelligence is the ability to perceive, organize, and act on information' isn't some breathtaking new Law of Intelligence. It's the bare bones of a Google result, the least possible definition that could possibly be recognized as referring to intelligence, and woefully incomplete.
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#83
RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
(September 22, 2025 at 1:23 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: "Intelligence is the ability to perceive information, to organize that information into knowledge, and, with that knowledge, to act.

It is the First Absolute Law of Logic because it defines, in a concise and indisputable way, what intelligence is. It is called "absolute" because it is self-validating (the attempt to deny it confirms it) and it is first because every concept depends on the existence of intelligence to be formulated.
Proof:
Anyone who attempts to dispute this definition: first perceives the information of the definition, organizes it into knowledge to understand it, and finally acts by voicing the dispute. Therefore, they use the exact three elements, Perception > Knowledge > Action, that the Law defines as the mechanism of intelligence."

Is someone unable to act unintelligent? Without assistance and artificial aids, would Hawking have ceased to be intelligent when he was no longer able to act?

Based on the first absolute law of logic, every biological being has intelligence. If it has a problem, gets sick, etc., it does not function properly.
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#84
RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
(September 22, 2025 at 1:43 pm)Paleophyte Wrote:
(September 22, 2025 at 4:17 am)panpan Wrote: Of course, Artificial Intelligence does not have its own intelligence, it is intelligence that has been given to it by intelligent beings, that is, by us. It will be its own when it can maintain and reproduce itself, which will not be long in coming technologically.

This proves that only intelligence can create intelligence.

Apparently, you've missed the bit where you admitted that AI doesn't have intelligence. You don't seem to be intelligent enough to understand what you're saying, much less what anybody else is. This proves that nnot only does intelligence not create intelligence, but on a bad day it isn't even capable of understanding intelligence.

Quote:As it proves that intelligence is a form of energy that can manifest itself both biologically and technologically as everything is energy that manifests itself in different ways.

If it's a form of energy then it has mass, per the famous E=mc2 equation that you referenced earlier. Kindly tell me how much mass intelligence has.

Quote:But now we have the absolute laws of logic that logically show us the right direction to search and the first step they show us is that life is intelligent!

Your 'absolute laws' are neither absolute nor laws. They're grandiose titles that you've given your whimsies. 'Intelligence is the ability to perceive, organize, and act on information' isn't some breathtaking new Law of Intelligence. It's the bare bones of a Google result, the least possible definition that could possibly be recognized as referring to intelligence, and woefully incomplete.

The reference to Einstein and the first law of thermodynamics is a logical answer to the fact that intelligence and matter are interconnected and probably, as I have already said, determine the self-sustaining intelligence of the universe. Armed with the absolute laws of logic that you do not accept but constantly confirm with every intelligent position you take, we will be able to explore the intelligence that created us.
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#85
RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
(September 22, 2025 at 2:21 pm)panpan Wrote:
(September 22, 2025 at 1:23 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: "Intelligence is the ability to perceive information, to organize that information into knowledge, and, with that knowledge, to act.

It is the First Absolute Law of Logic because it defines, in a concise and indisputable way, what intelligence is. It is called "absolute" because it is self-validating (the attempt to deny it confirms it) and it is first because every concept depends on the existence of intelligence to be formulated.
Proof:
Anyone who attempts to dispute this definition: first perceives the information of the definition, organizes it into knowledge to understand it, and finally acts by voicing the dispute. Therefore, they use the exact three elements, Perception > Knowledge > Action, that the Law defines as the mechanism of intelligence."

Is someone unable to act unintelligent? Without assistance and artificial aids, would Hawking have ceased to be intelligent when he was no longer able to act?

Based on the first absolute law of logic, every biological being has intelligence. If it has a problem, gets sick, etc., it does not function properly.

Is a cactus intelligent? Why or why not?

Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
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#86
RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
(September 22, 2025 at 2:30 pm)panpan Wrote: The reference to Einstein and the first law of thermodynamics is a logical answer...

No, it's merely a wrong answer. How much mass does intelligence have? You can't answer that next logical question because your assumption that intelligence is energy is wrong.

Quote:Armed with the absolute laws of logic...

Those aren't laws, they're your flawed opinions dressed up in grandiose terms. Nobody else but you calls them that because you're some rando arguing on the interwebs.
  - There are three laws of logic, but these can be attributed to Plato and Aristotle. They aren't absolute and nobody capitalizes them.
  - There are laws of thought, from Liebniz, Schopenhauer, Russel, Godel, and a host of others. Many of these are widely debated and none of them even vaguely resemble your overdressed opinions.
  - There are laws of intelligence, but most people are referring to espionage. Neither absolute nor what you're carrying on about.
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#87
RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
@  Kindly tell me how much mass intelligence has.

About three pounds, on average, for a human.  Might be a few ounces short for some of us.... Wink
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#88
RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
(September 22, 2025 at 4:50 am)panpan Wrote: I wrote it before in a comment but you probably didn't notice it. "Einstein's equation E=mc² "Energy equals mass times the speed of light squared", expresses the fundamental concept that energy and mass are interchangeable, two forms of the same thing. Theoretically and based on the first law of thermodynamics and Einstein's equation, the superintelligence of the creation of the universe did not come from nowhere, it always existed, exists and will exist."

Oh, I noticed it, all right, and I also replied to it, rejecting your hypothesis because "intelligence" is not energy.

Quote:You don't need to pray to the Creator - God as long as you respect yourself, others and his creations.

In the world you live in, it is everywhere, wherever there is life, it manifests itself every moment living on a planet where we still don't know what gravity is, while we can explain it mechanically, we don't know what it really is except by expressing theories!

I say again: I do not believe that your "Creator" exists. And I will respect, or not respect, in accordance with the actual situation.

As for gravity, although we don't know what it is, we do know that it's there and we can measure its effects with substantial accuracy. Our knowledge of gravity enables us to make accurate predictions. Your creator-god hypothesis has no data points and no predictive power.
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#89
RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
Wow!

A whole wall of text to say and prove nothing.

I only achieve that when I'm VERY drunk.

Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni:

"You did WHAT?  With WHO?  WHERE???"
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RE: To the question of does God exist, the answer is whether Intelligence created Life
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