LarissaAnn Wrote:Yet, according to biblical beliefs that god never changes, he therefore would still think rape victims should marry their attackers, God never shows compassion by saying something like let the community ban together to support her living with her family in a single life, not throw the attacker in jail, not it wasn't her fault so you should still see her as pure, etc.. Instead he sees the VICTIM as damaged goods and only worthy of her attacker since he knew her carnally, showing complete disregard for her emotional trauma whatsoever.

look, i keep saying God did not change his mind. he always thought punishment for crimes were for government and he still does.

(January 5, 2012 at 11:00 am)chipan Wrote: and quite honestly, there wasn't a whole lot of rape back then. not near as much as there is today.

Quite honestly my foot! You just made that up! I'm sick of calling you out on bullshit, chip. Do you have crime statistics from 2000 fucking years ago? Even taking into account the significantly lesser population, I would imagine rape has not changed much, except that they did not consider much rape back in the day. There is actually proof of that, unlike your totally made up assertion. "There was less rape back then." Congratulations, you are a dishonest adult. For shame.

Shell B Wrote:Quite honestly my foot! You just made that up! I'm sick of calling you out on bullshit, chip. Do you have crime statistics from 2000 fucking years ago? Even taking into account the significantly lesser population, I would imagine rape has not changed much, except that they did not consider much rape back in the day. There is actually proof of that, unlike your totally made up assertion. "There was less rape back then." Congratulations, you are a dishonest adult. For shame.

i already explained the source. it's Romans 13:1-7. maybe you should read more into the conversation before jumping in.

Quote:1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.
6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

Absolutely nowhere in that passage does it say rape was less common. Consider this a verbal warning, Chip. That is roughly the fourth time I have caught you outright lying. If you are going to debate here, please do so honestly. You are more than welcome to input conjecture, but you should not state it as fact. If you have something that actually says rape was less common, now would be the time to enter it into this debate.

oh sorry i misunderstood. yes it was less common because they had laws to marry the person you had sex with. having sex before marriage was considered a shameful act where as today it's encouraged. i thought you said something else my bad.

That doesn't really make any difference, chip. You can rape someone to whom you are married.

(January 6, 2012 at 9:43 pm)Shell B Wrote: That doesn't really make any difference, chip. You can rape someone to whom you are married.

Yes. Contrary to biblical views on the subject, wives do not have a duty to put out whenever their husband feels like it.

Shelly B Wrote:That doesn't really make any difference, chip. You can rape someone to whom you are married.

you're missing the point. rape has increased in the past hundred years. it's only gotten worse. rape is at an all time high so yes there was less rape. today people take birth control "just in case." you must admit even in the past hundred years rape has increased.

I don't have to admit any such thing. Where has rape increased in the past hundred years? How are you to know that rape was less 2,000 years ago than it is today? Birth control was not readily available, so that is not any indicator of rape statistics, even if it would have been otherwise. I am not missing the point. You are making this up completely. We do not have crime statistics from the time of Jesus.

Who the hell takes birth control just in case they get raped?

Again, quote a source. If rape is at an all time high, you must have numbers to back this up. Furthermore, you will need to take into account that rape used to go unreported as it was embarrassing and even dangerous for a woman to admit a man forced her to have sex with him. Even today it goes unreported. That is something I know for a fact. I like facts, chip.

(January 6, 2012 at 10:14 pm)chipan Wrote: today people take birth control "just in case."

Ooh man I'm nominating that one for the stupidest quotes thread.