(August 18, 2026 at 12:15 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(August 18, 2026 at 11:25 am)PepsiMAX Wrote: I think the issue is when it gets warped into political self interests. Rather than self reform.

Really? I think the issue is that Christianity is a garbage religion, unsuitable for human beings.

Boru

What don`t you like about it? If its social issues like lets say. 1 Timothy 2:12? I think thats taken out of context. If you read the chapters of 1 Timothy 1 and Acts 19. The condemnation is aimed towards pagan practices and religions, in this case, Artemis religion. And Deborah in old testament was a judge. While people debate on Phoebe`s role in Church. Whether its Deacon or Servant. Either case, point is. Without context its easy to listen to some sports man preacher who i dont have fondness of either

For example. If taken literally, then men with long hair is shameful too? Since Paul also said something about that? But that seems to contradict story of Samson who got his powers from long hair?. From what i know. The context is if its done out of Pagan worship (Aka your intentions matters, not really what you are or look like), the condemnation is if its done out of unGodly things. Just for context is all

(August 18, 2026 at 1:04 pm)PepsiMAX Wrote:

(August 18, 2026 at 12:15 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Really? I think the issue is that Christianity is a garbage religion, unsuitable for human beings.

Boru

What don`t you like about it? If its social issues like lets say. 1 Timothy 2:12? I think thats taken out of context. If you read the chapters of 1 Timothy 1 and Acts 19. The condemnation is aimed towards pagan practices and religions, in this case, Artemis religion. And Deborah in old testament was a judge. While people debate on Phoebe`s role in Church. Whether its Deacon or Servant. Either case, point is. Without context its easy to listen to some sports man preacher who i dont have fondness of either

For example. If taken literally, then men with long hair is shameful too? Since Paul also said something about that? But that seems to contradict story of Samson who got his powers from long hair?. From what i know. The context is if its done out of Pagan worship (Aka your intentions matters, not really what you are or look like), the condemnation is if its done out of unGodly things. Just for context is all

Lots of reasons. By way of example, ‘Love thy neighbour as thyself.’ If my neighbour is some great whirling arsefardle, how am I expected to even like (let alone love) him. Also, most of the Ten Commandments are impossible to follow, Jesus condemns those who don’t like him, and Christian are - for the most part - thoroughly despicable people.

There’s more, but that’ll do to be going on with.

Boru

(August 18, 2026 at 1:34 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(August 18, 2026 at 1:04 pm)PepsiMAX Wrote: What don`t you like about it? If its social issues like lets say. 1 Timothy 2:12? I think thats taken out of context. If you read the chapters of 1 Timothy 1 and Acts 19. The condemnation is aimed towards pagan practices and religions, in this case, Artemis religion. And Deborah in old testament was a judge. While people debate on Phoebe`s role in Church. Whether its Deacon or Servant. Either case, point is. Without context its easy to listen to some sports man preacher who i dont have fondness of either

For example. If taken literally, then men with long hair is shameful too? Since Paul also said something about that? But that seems to contradict story of Samson who got his powers from long hair?. From what i know. The context is if its done out of Pagan worship (Aka your intentions matters, not really what you are or look like), the condemnation is if its done out of unGodly things. Just for context is all

Lots of reasons. By way of example, ‘Love thy neighbour as thyself.’ If my neighbour is some great whirling arsefardle, how am I expected to even like (let alone love) him. Also, most of the Ten Commandments are impossible to follow, Jesus condemns those who don’t like him, and Christian are - for the most part - thoroughly despicable people.

There’s more, but that’ll do to be going on with.

Boru

I know some complain about the wars in the old testament. But i always felt they were existential wars against Pagan religions basically. I dont blame all Communists just because Holodomor happened for example.

(August 18, 2026 at 1:35 pm)PepsiMAX Wrote: I know some complain about the wars in the old testament. But i always felt they were existential wars against Pagan religions basically. I dont blame all Communists just because Holodomor happened for example.

Do you think it is justified to end the existence of other tribes when being in an existential war with them? Do you think it is justified for modern Israel to end Palestinians, or any other tribe of the near east? Do you thin kit would have been justified to kill all Germans after 1945, because they tried to kill all Jews? Is it justified for your tribe to start the existential war?

(August 18, 2026 at 1:35 pm)PepsiMAX Wrote:

(August 18, 2026 at 1:34 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Lots of reasons. By way of example, ‘Love thy neighbour as thyself.’ If my neighbour is some great whirling arsefardle, how am I expected to even like (let alone love) him. Also, most of the Ten Commandments are impossible to follow, Jesus condemns those who don’t like him, and Christian are - for the most part - thoroughly despicable people.

There’s more, but that’ll do to be going on with.

Boru

I know some complain about the wars in the old testament. But i always felt they were existential wars against Pagan religions basically. I dont blame all Communists just because Holodomor happened for example.

I don’t object to the wars in the OT. What I object to is the extermination of whole groups of people who happen to have the wrong imaginary friends. And the Israelite KNEW these friends were imaginary.

As Deese pointed out, there’s a difference between war and genocide.

Boru

(August 18, 2026 at 2:10 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(August 18, 2026 at 1:35 pm)PepsiMAX Wrote: I know some complain about the wars in the old testament. But i always felt they were existential wars against Pagan religions basically. I dont blame all Communists just because Holodomor happened for example.

I don’t object to the wars in the OT. What I object to is the extermination of whole groups of people who happen to have the wrong imaginary friends. And the Israelite KNEW these friends were imaginary.

As Deese pointed out, there’s a difference between war and genocide.

Boru

Alternatively it could be like Somalia. Clan wars i mean? Of Civil Wars that never ends. Basically you need a decisive leader who can bring order that way.
If i were to use fiction as an example to that of Somalia. Thats sort of the whole conflict in Naruto with why the Second Hokage acted so decisively. Because the First Hokage was too gullible, and the Uchihas was very emotional.

Either case. With loyalty to one God vs paganistic ones. I guess conflict of interest is gonna happen i guess. Same with politics to some level. World War 2 for example is the one war that has killed most people in history.

(August 18, 2026 at 1:45 pm)Deesse23 Wrote:

(August 18, 2026 at 1:35 pm)PepsiMAX Wrote: I know some complain about the wars in the old testament. But i always felt they were existential wars against Pagan religions basically. I dont blame all Communists just because Holodomor happened for example.

Do you think it is justified to end the existence of other tribes when being in an existential war with them? Do you think it is justified for modern Israel to end Palestinians, or any other tribe of the near east? Do you thin kit would have been justified to kill all Germans after 1945, because they tried to kill all Jews? Is it justified for your tribe to start the existential war?

Alternatively it could look like Somalia. So it depends how you look at it. In a war someone will win or lose... or go on forever with no end 
edit: But no wars would be ideal of course. But ey humans will find some reason to start one. Opportunism or other reasons

(August 18, 2026 at 4:36 pm)PepsiMAX Wrote:

(August 18, 2026 at 2:10 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I don’t object to the wars in the OT. What I object to is the extermination of whole groups of people who happen to have the wrong imaginary friends. And the Israelite KNEW these friends were imaginary.

As Deese pointed out, there’s a difference between war and genocide.

Boru

Alternatively it could be like Somalia. Clan wars i mean? Of Civil Wars that never ends. Basically you need a decisive leader who can bring order that way.
If i were to use fiction as an example to that of Somalia. Thats sort of the whole conflict in Naruto with why the Second Hokage acted so decisively. Because the First Hokage was too gullible, and the Uchihas was very emotional.

Either case. With loyalty to one God vs paganistic ones. I guess conflict of interest is gonna happen i guess. Same with politics to some level. World War 2 for example is the one war that has killed most people in history.

None of that excuses or explains Biblical genocide.

Boru

The idea that genocide is ever justifiable is highly questionable.

(August 18, 2026 at 7:11 pm)Angrboda Wrote: The idea that genocide is ever justifiable is highly questionable.

Its more about knowing the difference between war and genocide. Often in the bible the Israelites won with God`s help. But ultimately interms of power, i will say they were equal on the footing.

I think genocide is more the case when authority have massive power, and uses it to kill people who cant in any shape defend themselves.