(August 19, 2026 at 5:27 pm)PepsiMAX Wrote:

(August 19, 2026 at 5:17 pm)Deesse23 Wrote: Thats what happens when you try to get ahead of an argument, but have no idea what the argument is.

Now, here you say that genocide is good ever, but in post #13 you have justified biblical genocides with being "existential wars against pagan religions". Please reconcile. Please also tell us what you think about your god having ordered genocides. Was that good or bad?

By your own logic i guess the Spanish Civil War in the 1930s was also a genocide?
If you were to ask me what side i would pick? Franco. Since the Communists killed priests in that war.

But thats what you call conflict of interest wars.

You just don`t know the difference between a genocide vs a war. Thats the problem

If I were you, I’d be very, very cautious about telling Deesse what he does or does not know.

And you say ‘killed priests’ like it’s a BAD thing.

Boru

According to old magic book, god explicitly commanded a genocide then punished his chosen people for failing to fully carry it out. Seems like god, if there were a god, would have all the power. Seems like we lowly human worms would be defenseless against his whims. Turns out both things are false...or? Who knows, maybe that was a bad day for the big guy all around. That's a Big Bad...but god doesn't seem to be constrained to being an ass about stuff like that, the guy will get downright petty too. Turned some poor lady into a pillar of salt for having the audacity to look back on the home she was forced to flee in dead of night? Had a bear maul some kids for calling a guy bald? Struck a guy dead on the spot for trying to keep his stupid ark from tumbling out of a rickety ox cart? I mean..the whole ordeal started over some business about a fruit......didn't contain himself to the couple...cursed the ground - made having kids hurt, invented thorns and weeds.......oh, and death.

I know, he became a newer more loving god at some point. Casually racist, a fig hater, a pig hater, setting brother against brother...talking in riddles to keep the wrong sort of people from being forgiven™, got everyone riled up about the end of the world before fucking off for 2k years and counting.

We're either talking about the worlds first and best asshole, or the man has a deplorably shitty pr department...in his infallibility.

(August 19, 2026 at 6:30 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(August 19, 2026 at 5:27 pm)PepsiMAX Wrote: By your own logic i guess the Spanish Civil War in the 1930s was also a genocide?
If you were to ask me what side i would pick? Franco. Since the Communists killed priests in that war.

But thats what you call conflict of interest wars.

You just don`t know the difference between a genocide vs a war. Thats the problem

If I were you, I’d be very, very cautious about telling Deesse what he does or does not know.

And you say ‘killed priests’ like it’s a BAD thing.

Boru

And you try to tell me i support genocide here?
Even if i dont classify it as one. Since war is war.

(August 19, 2026 at 7:05 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: We're either talking about the worlds first and best asshole, or the man has a deplorably shitty pr department...in his infallibility.

Are you fan of the South Park episode called Go God Go?

(August 19, 2026 at 5:27 pm)PepsiMAX Wrote:

(August 19, 2026 at 5:17 pm)Deesse23 Wrote: Thats what happens when you try to get ahead of an argument, but have no idea what the argument is.

Now, here you say that genocide is good ever, but in post #13 you have justified biblical genocides with being "existential wars against pagan religions". Please reconcile. Please also tell us what you think about your god having ordered genocides. Was that good or bad?

By your own logic i guess the Spanish Civil War in the 1930s was also a genocide?
If you were to ask me what side i would pick? Franco. Since the Communists killed priests in that war.

But thats what you call conflict of interest wars.

You just don`t know the difference between a genocide vs a war. Thats the problem

My logic is irrelevant here. I didnt even give one. My definition of genocide is irrelevant here (as is yours). There is a dictionary definition for genocide, but even that one is irrelevant. Lets not get stuck in discussing definitions, but thank you anyway for agreeing with me that genocide can not be justified, under no circumstance and lets focus on the topic: You trying to look for excuses for the wars (of aggression of the Israelites, ordered by your god, resulting in the extinction of entire tribes, which is the dictionary definition of genocide) in the OT.

(August 18, 2026 at 1:35 pm)PepsiMAX Wrote: I know some complain about the wars in the old testament. But i always felt they were existential wars against Pagan religions basically. I dont blame all Communists just because Holodomor happened for example.

I asked you in an earlier post (which you failed to reply to) about your opinion. Time for you to clarify now. 

Quote:Do you think it is justified to end the existence of other tribes when being in an existential war with them? Do you think it is justified for modern Israel to end Palestinians, or any other tribe of the near east? Do you think it would have been justified to kill all Germans after 1945, because they tried to kill all Jews? Is it justified for your tribe to start the existential war?

Do you?

(August 20, 2026 at 4:12 am)Deesse23 Wrote:

Quote:Do you think it is justified to end the existence of other tribes when being in an existential war with them? Do you think it is justified for modern Israel to end Palestinians, or any other tribe of the near east? Do you think it would have been justified to kill all Germans after 1945, because they tried to kill all Jews? Is it justified for your tribe to start the existential war?

Do you?

Depends how much you want to win or lose i guess? Do you want to defeat the Nazis if you lived in WW2 era, a war that killed 50 million and 80 million people? It all depends who you wanna side with? And what rhetoric convinces you the most.

But your comparison overgeneralizes. Israelites wanted to defeat the head leaders and anyone who threatened their religious cultural system of power. Not go on a kill spree of individuals who might have belonged to that group

(August 20, 2026 at 1:02 am)PepsiMAX Wrote:

(August 19, 2026 at 6:30 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: If I were you, I’d be very, very cautious about telling Deesse what he does or does not know.

And you say ‘killed priests’ like it’s a BAD thing.

Boru

And you try to tell me i support genocide here?
Even if i dont classify it as one. Since war is war.

Sorry, when did I accuse you of supporting genocide? At most, I implied that you have repeatedly failed to condemn it.

Boru

(August 20, 2026 at 2:56 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(August 20, 2026 at 1:02 am)PepsiMAX Wrote: And you try to tell me i support genocide here?
Even if i dont classify it as one. Since war is war.

Sorry, when did I accuse you of supporting genocide? At most, I implied that you have repeatedly failed to condemn it.

Boru

Because its not a genocide. You know what might be considered one? Sutherland Springs church shooting. Or the Pulse nightclub shooting. But its not, its a mass shooting. But it is closely related.

(August 20, 2026 at 2:59 pm)PepsiMAX Wrote:

(August 20, 2026 at 2:56 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Sorry, when did I accuse you of supporting genocide? At most, I implied that you have repeatedly failed to condemn it.

Boru

Because its not a genocide. You know what might be considered one? Sutherland Springs church shooting. Or the Pulse nightclub shooting. But its not, its a mass shooting. But it is closely related.

Mass shootings in no way qualify as ‘closely related’ to genocide.

Boru

(August 20, 2026 at 2:59 pm)PepsiMAX Wrote:

(August 20, 2026 at 2:56 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Sorry, when did I accuse you of supporting genocide? At most, I implied that you have repeatedly failed to condemn it.

Boru

Because its not a genocide. You know what might be considered one? Sutherland Springs church shooting. Or the Pulse nightclub shooting. But its not, its a mass shooting. But it is closely related.

Let's skip the whole semantic question. Let's use the made-up word 'oxcorn'. Oxcorn is defined as the attempt to completely exterminate a whole people. Period.

Two questions: Do you think that oxcorn is ever justifiable? Do you think the Jews described in the bible are said to have engaged in oxcorn?