(January 8, 2012 at 4:15 pm)Faith No More Wrote:

Quote:My heterosexuality does not matter, since I'm not the one that holds rallies and asking for special considerations and rights..

They're not asking for special rights, just equal ones.

And you think that homosexuals are on equal terms with the rest of society?
They already can do whatever they want to do without facing repercussions in most countries, but they are pushing the limits to the institutions of marriage and family.
I think that this will not really stop there. I've only recently discussed the topic of adoption for gays with a few people here, I don't know if you were involved.
But I think that such things will only result in more demands from the gay community, including, but not limited to, special schools for their own children, their own communities, and whatever else they can get their hands on.
Before you spout "bigot" just hold on a second. This is not really exclusive to the gays. By now, homosexuals form a minority on their own. This is why I said that homosexuality makes up a large portion of their identity, as they tend to self-identify as that most of the time, and make demands from the rest of the society. This is applicable to almost any other minority.
Ethnic minorities in our country make similar demands, although they have all the rights we share, they demand other rights aswell, like their own schools, own police force, and perhaps even their own country.
In truth, this is in conflict with the will of the ethnic majority. But obviously, homosexuals have not really reached a point yet where they can make even more outrageous demands.

Well..
"Normal" is not absolute. Besides, there is no "perfection" of life form nor for "normal" in nature. It is silly to classify the natural attributes of human into categories of morality and immorality. -- As for the concept of 7 deadly sins.

(January 8, 2012 at 4:38 pm)Blam! Wrote: Well..
"Normal" is not absolute. Besides, there is no "perfection" of life form nor for "normal" in nature. It is silly to classify the natural attributes of human into categories of morality and immorality. -- As for the concept of 7 deadly sins.

Well, unless mankind turns hermaphrodite I think that homosexuality will stay out of normal boundaries.

Marriage and family have limits? I wasn't aware. Are you sure that you haven't personally set limits to these two terms and then proceeded from that point as though your opinion was a universal consensus? Hermaphrodites aside, homosexuality is very coomon, very "normal" for human beings, I don't know why we would have to change to re-enforce this? You like girls, that's cool, so do I. That doesn't mean that we're some kind of yardstick for "normal".

(January 8, 2012 at 4:56 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Marriage and family have limits? I wasn't aware. Are you sure that you haven't personally set limits to these two terms and then proceeded from that point as though your opinion was a universal consensus? Hermaphrodites aside, homosexuality is very coomon, very "normal" for human beings, I don't know why we would have to change to re-enforce this? You like girls, that's cool, so do I. That doesn't mean that we're some kind of yardstick for "normal".

You are full aware of it as I and the homosexuals are. They are simply trying to bend these limits. I gave the example about incest just to show that there are limits to everything.
Besides, if it were as common, and as normal as you'd think of it, gays would have acquired the things they so fiercely campaign for long ago.
I know that you're going to blame this in one way, or the other to religion, but homosexuality and homosexuals themselves have been cast out of society before the abrahamic religions have taken the scene.

(January 8, 2012 at 4:25 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: But obviously, homosexuals have not really reached a point yet where they can make even more outrageous demands.

Even if the existing demands of homo-sexuals were too much (which they aren't) the argument you are using is a slippery slope.

(January 8, 2012 at 5:05 pm)Napo Wrote:

(January 8, 2012 at 4:25 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: But obviously, homosexuals have not really reached a point yet where they can make even more outrageous demands.

Even if the existing demands of homo-sexuals were too much (which they aren't) the argument you are using is a slippery slope.

Well, not in my country, here, they generally keep to themselves, and except for some troublemaking transsexuals, no one besides homosexuals knows who the homosexuals are in this country.
We simply ignore them, and they abide the rules of the society.
In America, however, or in other western countries, things are quite different.
I'm saying most of these things for the sake of argument, not that it'd affect me in the slightest if the homosexuals earn the right to marry(and in Europe, some countries provide homosexuals with this), or adopt children.
I'm just content if such things do not befall the lands of Turan, and undermine our good customs and social norms.

(January 8, 2012 at 5:04 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:

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(January 8, 2012 at 4:56 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Marriage and family have limits? I wasn't aware. Are you sure that you haven't personally set limits to these two terms and then proceeded from that point as though your opinion was a universal consensus? Hermaphrodites aside, homosexuality is very coomon, very "normal" for human beings, I don't know why we would have to change to re-enforce this? You like girls, that's cool, so do I. That doesn't mean that we're some kind of yardstick for "normal".

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You are full aware of it as I and the homosexuals are. They are simply trying to bend these limits.

What limits? Limits created by whom, and for what purpose?

Quote:I gave the example about incest just to show that there are limits to everything.

Incest has nothing to do with the rights of homosexuals. It's not a very good example.

Quote:Besides, if it were as common, and as normal as you'd think of it, gays would have acquired the things they so fiercely campaign for long ago.

When? You mean when they killed them for it? Yeah, I'm sure the gays were excited to campaign for their rights in that environment. I know that if I lived among a bunch of rock-happy, religious fanatics who hated me, and loved killing people, I would be really outspoken about my rights. Get real. They're campaigning now, and pretty much getting what they want, slowly but surely. It shouldn't be this hard to be allowed to marry the person you love in a nation where everyone is supposed to be equal, but it is, because of backward thinking religious fuckers.

Quote:I know that you're going to blame this in one way, or the other to religion, but homosexuality and homosexuals themselves have been cast out of society before the abrahamic religions have taken the scene.

What other reason do people have to be bigoted toward homosexuals?

And apparently, you didn't read anything from the link I posted regarding the history of homosexuality. So, here it is again:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality#History

There are many reasons why people are intolerant of homosexuality, and none of those reasons are based upon any reasonable ideal. If you know of a logical, rational reason why homosexuality should not be tolerated, please share. So far you've presented nothing of the like.

(January 8, 2012 at 5:13 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: I'm just content if such things do not befall the lands of Turan, and undermine our good customs and social norms.

From your descriptions of the place, and judging by your own opinions on such matters, I'm pretty sure you don't have any "good customs", and your "social norms" are garbage. I take solace in the thought that you are probably a statistical outlier. Somewhere, right now, within a few hundred feet of you, there is most likely a penis in another mans mouth. Does that make the walls close in?

(January 8, 2012 at 2:08 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: It's a long post, but I still hold the thought that it should not be a part of society.

You are entitled to your opinion,no problem, unless you try to impose it on others. THEN you have a problem.


Also,perhaps not a good idea to say that in front of my gay sister;she WILL deck you.

Quote:Well, unless mankind turns hermaphrodite I think that homosexuality will stay out of normal boundaries.

What a stunningly ignorant and bigoted thing to say.You my friend are raving homophobe.



PS I can GUARANTEE you CANNOT spot most gays.