(October 15, 2026 at 5:14 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote:

AngelThMan Wrote:What objective standard would make anything right or wrong without God?

Right or wrong for what? You are missing the context.

You are talking about the rules of the game but not the game itself. So-called god's standard for right or wrong applies to how to get to heaven but not how to get by in society (unless that society happens to be theocratic).

And people's main motivation for how to behave is to get by in the society, and they do this by behaving in the way they were raised and by obeying rules of the society, like laws.

Wait. I'm missing the context of my own question??? My question is: In an atheistic world, is anything good or evil? That's the question. Talking about the "game" is a red herring fallacy. It changes the topic. Deal with the actual question. Is anything evil if there's no God, and how is it possible? How can something be evil, and who's determining it?

(Yesterday at 1:26 pm)Sheldon Wrote:

(October 15, 2026 at 2:34 pm)AngelThMan Wrote: If there's no God, nothing is objectively right or wrong or evil. Do you agree?

If there's a God, nothing is objectively right or wrong or evil. 

Do you agree?

Time for some reciprocity on your part, and I'll save some time, behind door number 2 = 

I suspect you don't agree, so evidence why.

That's changing the topic, dumbass. Go look into what a red herring is

I love how he keeps saying things that are on topic and totally relevant to subject is changing the subject and a red herring 

(Yesterday at 1:24 pm)AngelThMan Wrote:

(Yesterday at 9:56 am)Sheldon Wrote: If you want an example of dumb ideas, then it has to be the idea that Jimmy Saville can be saved by an act of contrition, and spend eternity in heaven, whilst simultaneously claiming that what he did is objectively immoral. Now that not just a spectacularly stupid idea, it is in my opinion morally repugnant. 

While decent people who never harm anyone and wouldn't want to, are damned to an eternity of torment, for not believing something no one can demonstrate a shred of objective evidence to support. 

And of course the comedy gold of you calling atheists dumb.

1) You ARE being dumb. When did I say Saville is or can be saved??
2) You are changing the topic, which is called a red herring fallacy, which IS dumb.
3) You still haven't established what Saville did wrong under an atheistic world,
4) other than offer your feelings and opinion about the situation.
5) Your opinion is not a law of the universe, and no one is required to obey it.

1) I never claimed you said it, so I think we have a different opinion on who's being dumb, if you can't understand a sentence as simple as that. 
2) Nope, wrong again, and the ad hominem is simply hilarious now. 
3) Correct, but then I also haven't explained how his actions are relevant to mermaids not existing, and for the same reason. 
4) Which is what all moral assertions are based on, including yours, if you had any integrity at all you'd admit this. 
5) Correct. 

Well done, you stumbled into 2 correct assertions, even a blind pig finds a truffle once in a while.

AngelThMan Wrote:You still haven't established what Saville did wrong under an atheistic world, other than offer your feelings and opinion about the situation. Your opinion is not a law of the universe, and no one is required to obey it.

Lol, you think there are moral laws of the universe.

Nothing is objectively wrong. If morality were objective, then there would be only one morality in the world. You mention raping kids, which is actually immoral in secular societies, while it is fine in theocracies and more religious places like red states where child marriage is frequently legal.

Raping kids is bad in secular humanist societies because their morality is based on human emotions, and thus it is wrong to rape someone because that person is suffering, which is not the viewpoint in religious societies.

AngelThMan Wrote:In an atheistic world, is anything good or evil

There is no such thing as an atheistic world.

Try to get this in your head: atheism is not a philosophy, it is not an ideology, therefore doesn't put out any rules. Atheism is simply an answer to one question - is there a god or not.

I have to appreciate his constant use of the term “atheistic worldview,” even though such a concept doesn’t exist. How can someone construct a worldview based solely on not accepting theistic assertions about God?.

(Yesterday at 1:30 pm)AngelThMan Wrote:

(October 15, 2026 at 5:14 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Right or wrong for what? You are missing the context.

You are talking about the rules of the game but not the game itself. So-called god's standard for right or wrong applies to how to get to heaven but not how to get by in society (unless that society happens to be theocratic).

And people's main motivation for how to behave is to get by in the society, and they do this by behaving in the way they were raised and by obeying rules of the society, like laws.

 My question is: In an atheistic world, is anything good or evil? That's the question. 

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Just type one in each time you repeat your tedious question.

(Yesterday at 1:30 pm)AngelThMan Wrote:

(October 15, 2026 at 5:14 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Right or wrong for what? You are missing the context.

You are talking about the rules of the game but not the game itself. So-called god's standard for right or wrong applies to how to get to heaven but not how to get by in society (unless that society happens to be theocratic).

And people's main motivation for how to behave is to get by in the society, and they do this by behaving in the way they were raised and by obeying rules of the society, like laws.

How can something be evil, and who's determining it?

Evil, right, and wrong are descriptors, just look up the definitions, and all species that have evolved to live in societal groups have evolved to determine the difference between actions and behaviours that are acceptable or not to the group.

(Yesterday at 1:32 pm)AngelThMan Wrote:

(Yesterday at 1:26 pm)Sheldon Wrote: If there's a God, nothing is objectively right or wrong or evil. 

Do you agree?

Time for some reciprocity on your part, and I'll save some time, behind door number 2 = 

I suspect you don't agree, so evidence why.

That's changing the topic, dumbass. Go look into what a red herring is

If there's a God, nothing is objectively right or wrong or evil. 

Do you agree?

(Yesterday at 1:45 pm)Sheldon Wrote:

(Yesterday at 1:30 pm)AngelThMan Wrote:  My question is: In an atheistic world, is anything good or evil? That's the question. 

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Just type one in each time you repeat your tedious question.

Great. You can answer questions. Now tell me by what standard. What standard are you appealing to to say murder is evil in a universe with no deity