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RE: If there's no God, nothing is right or wrong
Yesterday at 1:23 am
Yeah, there's actually quite a bit of literature on the ways in which vicarious redemption is a permission structure for evil as a foundational component of a subjective utilitarian morality.
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RE: If there's no God, nothing is right or wrong
Yesterday at 1:26 am
(Yesterday at 1:20 am)Ravenshire Wrote: (October 16, 2026 at 4:41 pm)AngelThMan Wrote: Let me get this straight. Nothing is evil objectively? Nothing is bad?
You really don't read for comprehension, do you? I never said nothing is bad. Perhaps you can re-read my post and comment on where you missed what I was saying.
Or, are you just trying to build a straw-man army?!?
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RE: If there's no God, nothing is right or wrong
Yesterday at 1:35 am
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RE: If there's no God, nothing is right or wrong
Yesterday at 2:42 am
(October 16, 2026 at 5:47 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (October 16, 2026 at 5:38 pm)AngelThMan Wrote: I'm only talking about a world without a deity. In this case, Jimmy Saville lived a full life. From his perspective, it was great and fulfilling. He was never caught and lived to his 80s. Died happy, believing his reputation was intact. He got to fulfill his fetish. From his point of view, why should he care what the rest of society thinks? What obligation does he have to care? He lived the best version of life from his perspective.
How could you possibly know any of that? For all you know, Saville was wracked with guilt over his behaviour.
Just because you’re a sociopath, don’t assume other people are.
Boru I was thinking exactly the same thing, I guess once you start basing beliefs on unevidenced assumptions it's hard to stop.
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RE: If there's no God, nothing is right or wrong
Yesterday at 2:49 am
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(October 16, 2026 at 6:19 pm)AngelThMan Wrote: (October 16, 2026 at 5:47 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: How could you possibly know any of that? For all you know, Saville was wracked with guilt over his behaviour.
Just because you’re a sociopath, don’t assume other people are.
Boru Let's say he felt fine, what did he do wrong from his point of view?
Who knows how god botherers rationalise this stuff. from memory I recall him expressing doubts about his salvation, rationalise that one. As if he believed there was an objective divine standard, but defied it anyway.
What's significant is that no deity stepped in to help his child victims.
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RE: If there's no God, nothing is right or wrong
Yesterday at 2:54 am
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(October 16, 2026 at 6:22 pm)AngelThMan Wrote: (October 16, 2026 at 5:40 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: So you're not going to answer ANY of the questions posed to you before demanding we answer another one of yours?
Saying "yes" there is evil in a world without a deity, though not providing the standard is not answering. Can you provide a standard? I did provide the standard more than once, your dishonesty is relentless fair play. I even quoted and linked the answer twice when you started this lie. Here it is one more time then, so everyone can see that you're a liar.
My answer is on page 12 of this thread HERE it is number 6.
Liar liar pants on fire... 
Here is my question that you definitely have refused to answer.
If there's a God, nothing is objectively right or wrong or evil.
Do you agree?
FYI we all know why you're dodging it as well, and have done from the start, because I doubt there's a single person reading this thread who are more ill-informed about the complexities of morality than you, who also happens to the most strident, quelle surprise.
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RE: If there's no God, nothing is right or wrong
Yesterday at 3:19 am
The real irony of course, is that he hasn't attempted to defend his claim of moral objectivism. Even I can make an objectively true claim about morality, it's just that I know it will ultimately rest on a subjective opinion.
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RE: If there's no God, nothing is right or wrong
Yesterday at 4:05 am
(October 16, 2026 at 6:26 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (October 16, 2026 at 6:19 pm)AngelThMan Wrote: That's a really stupid answer. Even if he was racked with guilt, that doesn't mean there's an objective standard. Let's say he felt fine, what did he do wrong from his point of view? What universal law did he break? The fact that you think your answer works shows how clueless you are.
Repeating your mistake isn’t going to repair it, numpty.
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RE: If there's no God, nothing is right or wrong
Yesterday at 4:07 am
(October 16, 2026 at 6:42 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: (October 16, 2026 at 5:38 pm)AngelThMan Wrote: I'm only talking about a world without a deity. In this case, Jimmy Saville lived a full life. From his perspective, it was great and fulfilling. He was never caught and lived to his 80s. Died happy, believing his reputation was intact. He got to fulfill his fetish. From his point of view, why should he care what the rest of society thinks? What obligation does he have to care? He lived the best version of life from his perspective. IDK if that’s true, but assume it is. Assume he died happy believing he lived his best life. So what? How does that change whether or not my opinion that his actions were immoral is true? My opinion that his actions were immoral is based on the nature of those actions….a fact of the object. Not his level of deathbed satisfaction. An (alleged) fact of the subject.
It is a bad fact, though, isn’t it. He got away with it. I would go further than just calling his actions immoral. I would say that anyone who knew what he was up to and didn’t do anything shared in that immorality. If you, me, or god knew and didn’t do anything- that would be immoral as well. I didn’t know. You didn’t know. Think the big guy knew?
The point is that your opinion is not binding anywhere in the world.
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RE: If there's no God, nothing is right or wrong
Yesterday at 4:07 am
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Quote:That's not an argument. You're dismissed. I'm not wasting my time on you
Actually, it is . You aren't dismissing anyone. You're the only one in this thread wasting people's time... lol.
You have failed at every level to present any arguments, refute others, or provide a foundation for your claimed objective morality, making any commentary you offer irrelevant.
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