(October 16, 2026 at 10:41 pm)Paleophyte Wrote:

(October 15, 2026 at 4:07 pm)AngelThMan Wrote: What objective standard would make anything right or wrong without God?

By the obvious standard that morality must agree with an underlying physical reality.

Obvious? How? That's not an answer. I'm boggled by the dumb answers I get from so-called brilliant atheists.

Quote:The point is that your opinion is not binding anywhere in the world.

You have no valid points, just meaningless chatter that nobody has any reason to be interested in.

(Yesterday at 4:05 am)AngelThMan Wrote:

(October 16, 2026 at 6:26 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Repeating your mistake isn’t going to repair it, numpty.

Boru

That's not an argument. You're dismissed. I'm not wasting my time on you

Just wasting your time full stop, that's always the way with a closed mind.

(Yesterday at 1:20 am)Ravenshire Wrote:

(October 16, 2026 at 4:41 pm)AngelThMan Wrote: Let me get this straight. Nothing is evil objectively? Nothing is bad?

You really don't read for comprehension, do you? I never said nothing is bad. Perhaps you can re-read my post and comment on where you missed what I was saying.

Or, are you just trying to build a straw-man army?!?

You said evil is not a force in the world. What does that mean?

Quote:Obvious? How? That's not an answer. I'm boggled by the dumb answers I get from so-called brilliant atheists.

It is obvious. Not his problem it flies over your head. That is an answer. The only one here who states dumb stuff is you. The only thing in this thread that's mind boggling is how clueless you are ...lol

Quote:You said evil is not a force in the world. What does that mean?

The stupid it burns

(Yesterday at 4:07 am)AngelThMan Wrote:

(October 16, 2026 at 6:42 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: IDK if that’s true, but assume it is.  Assume he died happy believing he lived his best life.  So what?  How does that change whether or not my opinion that his actions were immoral is true?  My opinion that his actions were immoral is based on the nature of those actions….a fact of the object.  Not his level of deathbed satisfaction.  An (alleged) fact of the subject.  

It is a bad fact, though, isn’t it.  He got away with it.  I would go further than just calling his actions immoral.  I would say that anyone who knew what he was up to and didn’t do anything shared in that immorality.  If you, me, or god knew and didn’t do anything- that would be immoral as well.  I didn’t know.  You didn’t know.  Think the big guy knew?

The point is that your opinion is not binding anywhere in the world.

Neither are the moral claims imagined to be from deities, as your example of Jimmy Saville demonstrates. It's also more than a little worrying that you need to be told not to rape and murder people ffs. What sort of human being needs to be told rape is a bad thing.

(Yesterday at 4:12 am)The Architect Of Fate Wrote:

Quote:Obvious? How? That's not an answer. I'm boggled by the dumb answers I get from so-called brilliant atheists.

It is obvious. Not his problem it flies over your head. That is an answer. The only one here who states dumb stuff is you. The only thing in this thread that's mind boggling is how clueless you are ...lol

Really? So you think saying "obvious" is a logically sound argument? What if a theist said the existence of God is "obvious." Would that be satisfying?

The idea that atheists are more capable of critical thinking than theists is laughable 

(Yesterday at 4:09 am)AngelThMan Wrote:

(October 16, 2026 at 10:41 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: By the obvious standard that morality must agree with an underlying physical reality.

Obvious? How? That's not an answer. I'm boggled by the dumb answers I get from so-called brilliant atheists.

Well I suppose you got one right and one wrong, yes it is clear that you're boggled here, but no, the fact that this assertion is obvious is not dumb, far from it. 

FYI calling every assertion that refutes your claims dumb, is ironically pretty fucking stupid. Doubly ironic really as being wilfully ignorant and stupid is not necessarily immoral. I am also a moral relativist see, but lets see you ignore one idea at a time.

He's the gift that keeps on giving