(6 hours ago)The Grand Nudger Wrote: At the risk of igniting a blood feud, If I had to pick an animal that understands any of the types of moral systems we’ve been discussing it would be a dog. They’re extremely attuned to pack rules. To meta ethically relativistic cause and effect sequences.No doubt why they are easily domesticated, and of course though humans don't hold them entirely to the same moral standard, they are held to a moral standard by humans, for example a dangerous dog that couldn't learn not to be violent to humans might be destroyed, so a very interesting example, thank you.
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If there's no God, nothing is right or wrong
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  RE: If there's no God, nothing is right or wrong
6 hours ago
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Don't get me wrong. I love cats, but let's face it, if it were any other animal, We would give them a pass because they are cute.
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5 hours ago
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Angie has waved the white flag.
I suppose this thread is now about lions, dogs, cats but not penguins They know what they did....-_-
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5 hours ago
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Well, less drastically, when a dog misbehaves we instruct it. We say bad dog and it makes sense to do that in a way it just doesn’t with a cat. Your best bet there is a squirt gun. Classical operant conditioning. Drawing this all back to the discussion…we do all of these things with people. We’ve domesticated ourselves through an artificial selection program. We condition our children. We instruct our children. We also have expectations about the rationality of our children. It’s a multi pronged approach. It still fails.
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RE: If there's no God, nothing is right or wrong
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 (Yesterday at 8:11 pm)AngelThMan Wrote:(Yesterday at 7:37 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Okay, but I didn't ask you whether or not you agreed murder was wrong. I asked you why...whether or not you believed murder was wrong in fact, and from a specific set of facts. You might believe that murder is wrong for you, you might believe that murder is wrong for society. The whys matter to understanding where each of us is coming from. To understanding each others position and what (if any) disagreement we are in. Doesn’t murder send souls to heaven? Does god prevent murder or rape or does it just watch it happen? RE: If there's no God, nothing is right or wrong
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(5 hours ago)h4ym4n Wrote:Spoiler: Something something morality something something repeated question, now your ignored.(Yesterday at 8:11 pm)AngelThMan Wrote: From a personal perspective, I believe murder is wrong because it robs someone of their chance to experience life, plus hurts those close to the victim. Whether truth or not, the problem is that under atheism, those ideas are just opinions. I wouldn't be able to hold anyone to that opinion, especially the murderer. To him, my opinion doesn't apply since there's no universal law against murder. Example: When lions take over a pride, they kill the existing offspring so the lion can foster their own lineage. Have they done anything wrong? Is there a universal law against it? No. The lion just served his own interest.
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 (7 hours ago)AngelThMan Wrote:(8 hours ago)Sheldon Wrote: You tell meThat's evasive. You clearly have only one brain cell. You lose. Can't answer. At least that brain cell realizes it's trapped, which is why you can't answer. Goodbye, moron We have a friend who puts cashews in her bread pudding, which I think is a mistake. Do you agree? Boru
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