(February 1, 2012 at 12:02 am)Zakir_250 Wrote: Okay, firstly we share NO similaries with Christians. They have a illogical belief that says 1 add 1 add 1 is 3.

Actually 1+1+1 is equal to 3.

Where the fuck did you learn math?

(February 1, 2012 at 3:22 pm)Zakir_250 Wrote: According to reality, Islam is false? No. According to Reality, Islam is true and I proved that with the converts videos I just posted.

Largest growing religion (still growing )

All that shows is that there is a lot of stupid people.

Something I knew already.

Islam, like all the major religions is at its heart a silly idea, based on nothing more than wishful thinking.

But I like you hanging around, you make me feel smart.

(February 1, 2012 at 3:24 pm)genkaus Wrote:

(February 1, 2012 at 12:02 am)Zakir_250 Wrote: Okay, firstly we share NO similaries with Christians. They have a illogical belief that says 1 add 1 add 1 is 3.

Actually 1+1+1 is equal to 3.

Where the fuck did you learn math?

I just explained this in this thread. What I was meant to say was Christians believe 1 add 1 add 1 is 1. I was thinking about reality because Trinity is really 3 gods but Christians say it's 1.

Explain please..

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/contra/day.html

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/..._hell.html

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/...uslim.html

(February 1, 2012 at 3:27 pm)Darwinian Wrote: Explain please..

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/contra/day.html

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/..._hell.html

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/...uslim.html

That site has been refuted here http://yahyasnow.wordpress.com/2010/04/2...n-refuted/

(February 1, 2012 at 12:25 am)Zakir_250 Wrote:

(February 1, 2012 at 12:19 am)SleepingDemon Wrote: So do all Muslims follow the same guidebook for losing debates? Did you ever speak to Rayaan? If not you really need to.

Not yet. I honestly can't see what I'm doing wrong. All I'm doing is providing information for you lot to read and you are all attacking me by insulting my religion.

You are posting links that use the quran to prove the quran. That's circular and intellectually dishonest

(February 1, 2012 at 12:19 am)SleepingDemon Wrote: I win this debate. Why? because It's me vs the rest of athiests which makes it unfair to me. I'm also getting insulted for no reason. So in short, I win via my oppositions going off topic by throwing insults at me and my religion.

Just because you are willing to pretend we did not give any refutations, what makes you think we are willing to pretend that we didn't give any?

Never mind, the first part answers the second.

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(February 1, 2012 at 2:52 pm)Zakir_250 Wrote:

(February 1, 2012 at 2:47 pm)Stimbo Wrote: This is getting desperately sad now if it wasn't already. Would you accept the Appeal to Popularity as a valid slam-dunk argument the way you expect us to if you were presented with videos/statistics/figures/whatever showing that atheism is rapidly on the rise? Or Buddhism? How about Scientology?

This is how I debate. It's called backing my opinions with facts.

You backing your opinions with opinions from other muslims like you. That does not make any of it a fact.

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(February 1, 2012 at 3:00 pm)Zakir_250 Wrote: Actually the moon was split. Like I said = Muhammad said and a King confirmed his words. Whatever the Quran says, we believe it. Why? because there is evidence for it.

There is no evidence for the moon split. Testimony from unreliable witness is not evidence.

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(February 1, 2012 at 3:12 pm)Zakir_250 Wrote:

(February 1, 2012 at 3:02 pm)Stimbo Wrote:

(February 1, 2012 at 2:52 pm)Zakir_250 Wrote:

(February 1, 2012 at 2:47 pm)Stimbo Wrote: This is getting desperately sad now if it wasn't already. Would you accept the Appeal to Popularity as a valid slam-dunk argument the way you expect us to if you were presented with videos/statistics/figures/whatever showing that atheism is rapidly on the rise? Or Buddhism? How about Scientology?

This is how I debate. It's called backing my opinions with facts.

Thanks for sharing. Want to answer my question now?

Yes I would. Go post any vidoes you want but the converts videos actualyl show Islam is true. There are converts from Christianity and Atheism. I doubt any religion can get more converts like Islam.

Actually, converts only show that people can become delusional any time.

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(February 1, 2012 at 3:22 pm)Zakir_250 Wrote: According to reality, Islam is false? No. According to Reality, Islam is true and I proved that with the converts videos I just posted.

Largest growing religion (still growing )

Conversion doesn't prove anything. People convert to other religons all the time as well. That does not make them true either.

(February 1, 2012 at 3:31 pm)Zakir_250 Wrote: That site has been refuted here http://yahyasnow.wordpress.com/2010/04/2...n-refuted/

Just saying something is refuted and actually refuting it are two different things. I was spectacularly unimpressed by the arguments put forward in support of the koran quarn or however its know today.
Shit does not cover it they were poorly contrived and executed again using the koran to refute anti koran evidence.

There was one answer that seemed like it might hold water the one about crucifiction, but that was a bright point in an otherwise futile attempt to rescue the rather stupid rantings of the rather stupid book.

(February 1, 2012 at 3:47 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(February 1, 2012 at 3:31 pm)Zakir_250 Wrote: That site has been refuted here http://yahyasnow.wordpress.com/2010/04/2...n-refuted/

Just saying something is refuted and actually refuting it are two different things. I was spectacularly unimpressed by the arguments put forward in support of the koran quarn or however its know today.
Shit does not cover it they were poorly contrived and executed again using the koran to refute anti koran evidence.

There was one answer that seemed like it might hold water the one about crucifiction, but that was a bright point in an otherwise futile attempt to rescue the rather stupid rantings of the rather stupid book.

What are you talking about? that links refutes the so called errors in the Quran.

Please explain what you are talking about.

(January 28, 2012 at 10:43 pm)Zakir_250 Wrote: However, I want to debate with Atheists on here about why they don't accept Islam.

OK, before we even crack open the Koran or review what Muslim apologetics has to say, here's what Islam claims right out of the gate:

Islam summed up in 7 words: Some guy claimed God spoke to him.

That's it. Go to your local insane asylum and you'll likely find a dozen or so inmates who can offer you the same story with just as much evidence as Muhammad did.

I reject Mormonism and Christianity as well, but at least they offer a much more slick package. Christianity has a lot of forged documents, bogus eye-witness accounts, folklore passed off as history and an appeal to antiquity with the church allegedly established by those who personally knew Jesus and saw his miracles. Mormonism is a bit more crude but it has bogus eye-witness accounts and golden plates that nobody ever saw. I reject both as absurd but I can at least understand how the unwary can get taken in by it all.

Islam has none of these things to support it. But it gets even shakier than that. It claims that Judaism and Christianity somehow managed to get it all wrong. And somehow Allah's solution was wait about six centuries, talk to some guy in another country, have the angel Gabriel speak to him while he was alone and nobody could witness it, gave him not a shred of evidence, and somehow that was going to fix the problem.

But wait, it gets even better.

You see, it turns out that Jesus was never the Son of God or a intercessor to the divine as Christians believe. The dastardly heretic Paul managed to get the Christians who knew and followed Jesus to forget all Jesus taught them and to worship Jesus instead. All within years after Jesus flew up into the sky. Sure, that's a likely story.

And still there's more.

You see, Islam takes special pleading to heights not seen with any other religion and that's saying a lot. It turns out that Muhammad knew Jesus better than the Christians he heard about Jesus from. The Christians say Jesus is the intercessor with the divine. The Muslims say Jesus never claimed any such thing and admonished us to have a direct relationship with God. Now who should I believe? The people who are part of the church established by those who personally knew Jesus or some guy who came along six centuries later in a different country who had nothing to go on but what he heard from the very people he says got it all wrong!

I hope this helps you understand why those who are not indoctrinated have trouble taking Islamic claims seriously.

(February 1, 2012 at 3:49 pm)Zakir_250 Wrote: What are you talking about? that links refutes the so called errors in the Quran.

Please explain what you are talking about.

Because it claimed to refute the errors but didn't.
The arguments made by the refuting site were by and large laughable.