(October 27, 2008 at 12:12 pm)Mikethechristian Wrote: The devil is tempting you please do not be taken in by the devils ideas

Too late. I'm with ya all the way satan!

If it was the devil who is with atheism and evolution then I'm with the devil.

(October 27, 2008 at 4:50 pm)Ace Wrote:

(October 27, 2008 at 12:12 pm)Mikethechristian Wrote: The devil is tempting you please do not be taken in by the devils ideas

Too late. I'm with ya all the way satan!

If it was the devil who is with atheism and evolution then I'm with the devil.

IMO, out of what I've read, Yahweh is more consistently evil that Satan. So....

god created satan so therefore you are actually with god aswell

(October 27, 2008 at 5:42 pm)Mikethechristian Wrote: god created satan so therefore you are actually with god aswell

Apart from the fact I understand that neither exist.

(October 27, 2008 at 5:42 pm)Mikethechristian Wrote: god created satan so therefore you are actually with god aswell

I'm going to see if you can finaly understand my position.

Now, I never chose to exist. I just exist and just because I exist doesn't automaticly mean that I am to bow down to some mighty git in the sky for which I've never seen, heard, felt or detected in anyway.

Even if there was a god (IF!) I'd still live the way that I am right now. Which is - Never go to church, neve pray and never worship. I find it unfair and immoral to be threaterned hell just because you exist. God would have to be thee dumbest twat in existance.

Now, Since I exist and have a fair understanding of my surroundings I choose to live life free and un-restricted. I have no higher beings that is in control of me. No one tells me what to do nor orders me. I do what I feel is right.

I exist even though I never asked for it. If I was offered a chance to go to heaven, I'd ask to be sent into oblivion. I don't want to live forever. I shall live my life with joy and pleasure and no fear of god or hell. Even IF your god existed, I wouldn't change.

I worship nothing, I cannot be controlled like a dog on a leash. God or not, I am free and I choose neither god or the devil. I want nothing to do with it. I want nothing to do with religion, faith, god or devil. I don't even want anything to do with an afterlife.

Understand now? I want nothing to do with anything that involves religion. In my view, there is no such thing as a god, devil, afterlife or religion.

God sounds like a dick anyway. In fact, he sounds very much like a spoilt brat!

I want NOTHING to do with religion. I want NOTHING to do wih god or that idiot jesus twat. I exist and the only ones I have to thank for that is my parents. They are the ones that I should be thanking and showing respect to. Not your made up friend (Gawd!)

(October 27, 2008 at 6:49 pm)Ace Wrote:

(October 27, 2008 at 5:42 pm)Mikethechristian Wrote: god created satan so therefore you are actually with god aswell

I'm going to see if you can finaly understand my position.

Now, I never chose to exist. I just exist and just because I exist doesn't automaticly mean that I am to bow down to some mighty git in the sky for which I've never seen, heard, felt or detected in anyway.

Even if there was a god (IF!) I'd still live the way that I am right now. Which is - Never go to church, neve pray and never worship. I find it unfair and immoral to be threaterned hell just because you exist. God would have to be thee dumbest twat in existance.

Now, Since I exist and have a fair understanding of my surroundings I choose to live life free and un-restricted. I have no higher beings that is in control of me. No one tells me what to do nor orders me. I do what I feel is right.

I exist even though I never asked for it. If I was offered a chance to go to heaven, I'd ask to be sent into oblivion. I don't want to live forever. I shall live my life with joy and pleasure and no fear of god or hell. Even IF your god existed, I wouldn't change.

I worship nothing, I cannot be controlled like a dog on a leash. God or not, I am free and I choose neither god or the devil. I want nothing to do with it. I want nothing to do with religion, faith, god or devil. I don't even want anything to do with an afterlife.

Understand now? I want nothing to do with anything that involves religion. In my view, there is no such thing as a god, devil, afterlife or religion.

God sounds like a dick anyway. In fact, he sounds very much like a spoilt brat!

I want NOTHING to do with religion. I want NOTHING to do wih god or that idiot jesus twat. I exist and the only ones I have to thank for that is my parents. They are the ones that I should be thanking and showing respect to. Not your made up friend (Gawd!)

Wish I could say more than simply; great job and great points.

(October 27, 2008 at 6:49 pm)Ace Wrote:

(October 27, 2008 at 5:42 pm)Mikethechristian Wrote: god created satan so therefore you are actually with god aswell

I'm going to see if you can finaly understand my position.

Now, I never chose to exist. I just exist and just because I exist doesn't automaticly mean that I am to bow down to some mighty git in the sky for which I've never seen, heard, felt or detected in anyway.

Even if there was a god (IF!) I'd still live the way that I am right now. Which is - Never go to church, neve pray and never worship. I find it unfair and immoral to be threaterned hell just because you exist. God would have to be thee dumbest twat in existance.

Now, Since I exist and have a fair understanding of my surroundings I choose to live life free and un-restricted. I have no higher beings that is in control of me. No one tells me what to do nor orders me. I do what I feel is right.

I exist even though I never asked for it. If I was offered a chance to go to heaven, I'd ask to be sent into oblivion. I don't want to live forever. I shall live my life with joy and pleasure and no fear of god or hell. Even IF your god existed, I wouldn't change.

I worship nothing, I cannot be controlled like a dog on a leash. God or not, I am free and I choose neither god or the devil. I want nothing to do with it. I want nothing to do with religion, faith, god or devil. I don't even want anything to do with an afterlife.

Understand now? I want nothing to do with anything that involves religion. In my view, there is no such thing as a god, devil, afterlife or religion.

God sounds like a dick anyway. In fact, he sounds very much like a spoilt brat!

I want NOTHING to do with religion. I want NOTHING to do wih god or that idiot jesus twat. I exist and the only ones I have to thank for that is my parents. They are the ones that I should be thanking and showing respect to. Not your made up friend (Gawd!)

You have this choice because god gave you the freewill to choose it even tho it is indeed wrong. God will only accept you into heaven if you confess and seek forgiveness for your sins. It doesn't matter what you believe or think even if you choose to think god is not real but whatever you say he is real and he is looking down on you from heaven and there is an afterlife and there is nothing you can do about it.i cannot believe that you would also choose not to go to heaven. The kingdom of God this just backs up the fact that you are just someone who wants to be different to everyone else a "rebel" if you will which i find funny because i think that it is highly likely that you will be wanting to enter heaven when you die as it is a step up from your, oblivion...Remember we are all just human beings and our minds cannot possibly understand the things god has done for this earth in detail but i for one can thank him in prayer and if you choose not to it is like not saying thank you to your parents. Yes your parents should be thanked but who made your parents and their parents and so on? God.You shall not truly know freedom until your soul is released from your body so you cannot say you are free.There is so much anger in your post and that i suspect is from a poor religious upbringing and no god to turn to.You will be in my prayers.

(October 27, 2008 at 7:20 pm)Mikethechristian Wrote: You have this choice because god gave you the freewill to choose it even tho it is indeed wrong. God will only accept you into heaven if you confess and seek forgiveness for your sins. It doesn't matter what you believe or think even if you choose to think god is not real but whatever you say he is real and he is looking down on you from heaven and there is an afterlife and there is nothing you can do about it.i cannot believe that you would also choose not to go to heaven. The kingdom of God this just backs up the fact that you are just someone who wants to be different to everyone else a "rebel" if you will which i find funny because i think that it is highly likely that you will be wanting to enter heaven when you die as it is a step up from your, oblivion...Remember we are all just human beings and our minds cannot possibly understand the things god has done for this earth in detail but i for one can thank him in prayer and if you choose not to it is like not saying thank you to your parents. Yes your parents should be thanked but who made your parents and their parents and so on? God.You shall not truly know freedom until your soul is released from your body so you cannot say you are free.There is so much anger in your post and that i suspect is from a poor religious upbringing and no god to turn to.You will be in my prayers.

I still stand by what I said. I am free and by my right and choice I choose to stand away from religion and live with morality but no religion.

Like I said, I want nothing to do with it. God or not.

Even if god gave me this life, I'd still want nothing to do with him and his pathetic afterlife.



I am free and your god cannot affect my freedom. I will live and when I'm done living I will vanish. In fact, I would ask god to send me into oblivion. I'd rather that than be with the twat.

You seem to think there are only 2 sides. There is a third side which is atheism. Which means - I want nothing to do with it.

Here's and example - Say there are 2 opposing sides (Armys) and I being on one side. Now what I'm doing is walking away from both sides and off the battlefield. Since I want nothing to do with it.

So your god can go F*** him self. I want nothing to do with any of it.

(October 27, 2008 at 7:20 pm)Mikethechristian Wrote:

(October 27, 2008 at 6:49 pm)Ace Wrote:

(October 27, 2008 at 5:42 pm)Mikethechristian Wrote: god created satan so therefore you are actually with god aswell

I'm going to see if you can finaly understand my position.

Now, I never chose to exist. I just exist and just because I exist doesn't automaticly mean that I am to bow down to some mighty git in the sky for which I've never seen, heard, felt or detected in anyway.

Even if there was a god (IF!) I'd still live the way that I am right now. Which is - Never go to church, neve pray and never worship. I find it unfair and immoral to be threaterned hell just because you exist. God would have to be thee dumbest twat in existance.

Now, Since I exist and have a fair understanding of my surroundings I choose to live life free and un-restricted. I have no higher beings that is in control of me. No one tells me what to do nor orders me. I do what I feel is right.

I exist even though I never asked for it. If I was offered a chance to go to heaven, I'd ask to be sent into oblivion. I don't want to live forever. I shall live my life with joy and pleasure and no fear of god or hell. Even IF your god existed, I wouldn't change.

I worship nothing, I cannot be controlled like a dog on a leash. God or not, I am free and I choose neither god or the devil. I want nothing to do with it. I want nothing to do with religion, faith, god or devil. I don't even want anything to do with an afterlife.

Understand now? I want nothing to do with anything that involves religion. In my view, there is no such thing as a god, devil, afterlife or religion.

God sounds like a dick anyway. In fact, he sounds very much like a spoilt brat!

I want NOTHING to do with religion. I want NOTHING to do wih god or that idiot jesus twat. I exist and the only ones I have to thank for that is my parents. They are the ones that I should be thanking and showing respect to. Not your made up friend (Gawd!)

You have this choice because god gave you the freewill to choose it even tho it is indeed wrong. God will only accept you into heaven if you confess and seek forgiveness for your sins. It doesn't matter what you believe or think even if you choose to think god is not real but whatever you say he is real and he is looking down on you from heaven and there is an afterlife and there is nothing you can do about it.i cannot believe that you would also choose not to go to heaven. The kingdom of God this just backs up the fact that you are just someone who wants to be different to everyone else a "rebel" if you will which i find funny because i think that it is highly likely that you will be wanting to enter heaven when you die as it is a step up from your, oblivion...Remember we are all just human beings and our minds cannot possibly understand the things god has done for this earth in detail but i for one can thank him in prayer and if you choose not to it is like not saying thank you to your parents. Yes your parents should be thanked but who made your parents and their parents and so on? God.You shall not truly know freedom until your soul is released from your body so you cannot say you are free.There is so much anger in your post and that i suspect is from a poor religious upbringing and no god to turn to.You will be in my prayers.

How CAN you really KNOW that there is a God? And also how CAN you really KNOW that not only is there a God, but that your God is the correct one? How CAN you KNOW either of these things?

(October 27, 2008 at 7:28 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: How CAN you really KNOW that there is a God? And also how CAN you really KNOW that not only is there a God, but that your God is the correct one? How CAN you KNOW either of these things?

i just do