So...your god intentionally created you to be unprepared/incapable and then dropped you into what may as well be a den of serpents, spiritually speaking? I'm starting to come around to your point of view Drich, I'm also wondering if god loves you....at this point.

(May 7, 2012 at 11:38 pm)Cinjin Wrote: Dear Drich,

I took Tim Tebow out and put you in! Don't blow it! Just remind yourself that I never had any plans to love them and take 'em down!!!

Sincerely,

Your Lord, Savior and absolute supreme jealous vengeful god - and don't you forget it, Jesus Christ



Ps. Kill a couple homos while you're down there!

All kidding aside, that is not what this thread is about. Christ offers love, but it is not a love without terms from His end. Once you accept those terms then you will find that love to be infinite. Even the "homos" for their sin is potentially no greater than any other.

You went off the rails there ... again.

(May 7, 2012 at 11:50 pm)Rhythm Wrote: So...your god intentionally created you to be unprepared/incapable and then dropped you into what may as well be a den of serpents, spiritually speaking? I'm starting to come around to your point of view Drich, I'm also wondering if god loves you....at this point.

ummm, I think it's pretty damn clear that jesus/god could NEVER love Drich or anyone for that matter, anywhere near as much as he loves himself.

(May 7, 2012 at 11:50 pm)Rhythm Wrote: So...your god intentionally created you to be unprepared/incapable and then dropped you into what may as well be a den of serpents, spiritually speaking?

Yes, if nothing else your collective reminders keep me Humble and allows me to work on my patience. i am allowing "Stone sharpen steel."

Quote:I'm starting to come around to your point of view Drich, I'm also wondering if god loves you....at This point.

I have been through an awful lot.. Really. Never once did I doubt God's faithfulness to me. I can't always say I have been faith to Him though, but I do know He has been faithful to me. This is what i want to share. That knowledge, that assurance. And one of the first steps in that knowledge is to get past the popular idea of an Always loving Always forgiving God. God's Love is boundless, however there is only one way to access it. That is through a proper understanding of the Agape God is offering.

We've all been through a lot, and gods have done fuck all about it.

My own (presumably fallen, incomplete, inferior) love has fewer hooks, fewer conditions. That's not a very good sign for your deity. I love a woman who was not faithful to me, who did not "believe" in me, to have fun with the words. Honestly I had kind of hoped that I would "fall out of love" as it were, but I didn't. It's difficult to imagine not loving some people regardless of what they may do, and honestly how much love did you have if it was conditional upon them meeting your expectations? That's why all this "boundless love, with conditions", to me, sounds like bullshit Drich. I shouldn't be capable of something Christ doesn't even attempt, should I?

Apparently, "God" is like an alcoholic...

Seriously, though, why would I want to worship someone who will torture me for an eternity just because I don't love him? Maybe a stalker-rapist is more accurate.

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(May 8, 2012 at 12:16 am)Rhythm Wrote: My own (presumably fallen, incomplete, inferior) love has fewer hooks, fewer conditions. That's not a very good sign for your deity.

Not if you take your Idea of Love and subdivide it into the exact same categories that God has allowed His love to be classify into. Your love would begin to look alot like the Love God offers. These are the four subdivisions of Love in the Koine Greek mentioned in the NT.
Agape,
Eros
Phila,
storge
I am going to substitute the correct form of love in your post so it reads correctly as per the four types of Love described in the bible.

Quote:I love a woman who was not faithful to me, who did not "believe" in me, to have fun with the words.

You "Eros" a woman...

Quote: Honestly I had kind of hoped that I would "fall out of love" as it were, but I didn't.

You'd Hope you'd fall out of Eros, but did not.
(I've been there too. Didn't thiink the hurt would ever stop.)

Quote: It's difficult to imagine not loving some people regardless of what they may do,

...to Imagine not Philos some people...

Quote:and honestly how much love did you have if it was conditional upon them meeting your expectations?

How much Philos did you have if...

Quote: That's why all this "boundless love, with conditions", to me, sounds like bullshit Drich.

That is why Agape, to me sounds like BS...

(See the discrepancy in your understanding of Love and the Love offered by God? It does not make the leap you thought it did)

Quote: I shouldn't be capable of something Christ doesn't even attempt, should I?

Agape goes far beyond the "feelings" of Love you have centered around. We are told agape is a choice or a commitment that exceeds all other forms of love. However unlike the other forms of love where one simply falls in or out of. Agape must be chosen, it is a commitment that exceeds anything and every thing else. This is the only term to the Agape Christ offers. You must simply choose it.

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(May 8, 2012 at 12:30 am)Annik Wrote: Apparently, "God" is like an alcoholic...

Seriously, though, why would I want to worship someone who will torture me for an eternity just because I don't love him? Maybe a stalker-rapist is more accurate.

Not all do. That is the point/purpose of this life. To make that desision for yourself.

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(May 8, 2012 at 12:16 am)Epimethean Wrote: We've all been through a lot, and gods have done fuck all about it.

Did He promise somewhere that He would?

You didn't read the entirety of the link I sent you, Drich.

In the bible itself, you are able philein Jesus, and you can agapan him, interchangeably. You are able to agapan your family and friends, and philein them-interchangeably. If you would have caught on to that, you would have understood why I mentioned the connection between Attic and Demotic Greek with Koine and Katharevousa in between as mediums of exchange. In Demotic Greek, the common word for love is agapoun, and in Attic, agape was actually a less powerful form of love than philos or eros. It was only when christians wanted to have a "special" kind of jesus love that they decided to claim that agape was special-especially as they sadly tried to divorce the eros, or physical love, from the text. Agapan basically means "to value or esteem" in ancient Greek and slowly becomes conflated with philein, which is a much more intense word. God is said to philein jesus rather than agapan him in John 5:20 and Jesus warns his followers in Matthew 10:37 that anyone who philon his family more than Jesus is not worthy of him.

Strongs Concordance states rather clearly regarding the relationship between philos and agape, that philos means

"to love, to have affection and regard of a very high order, not unlike agape and overlapping in meaning in some contexts"

You can go around trumpeting about the types of love, but the texts do not support it in any consistent way. This is just another instance of christians mucking about with things they know nothing about in trying to make special the contractual love they have for their god and he for them. Give it a fucking rest. You're as annoying-and out of touch-as the shyster who wrote this:

http://www.5lovelanguages.com/learn-the-...languages/