The more I learn about the Catholic church the more horrified I become.

BTW does anyone know if excommunicated people are ostracised from society and/or are discriminated against at school or work in that country? I.e. in that country how bad is excommunication? I know in the middle ages it was horrible but in modern Brazil I don't know.

(May 26, 2012 at 11:36 pm)Morganna Wrote: Er ... I don't know if this is going to make a difference to the discussion (please ignore if it won't), but this story is over 2 years old. I remember being shocked and outraged by the treatment this poor girl, her doctors, and her mother got from the Catholic Church at the time.

If only it were just 3d world shitholes like Brazil. But this happened right here in Phoenix ( okay - also admittedly pretty 3d world itself) .

http://ncronline.org/news/justice/nun-ex...g-abortion


This all happened two years ago. But, the prick in question, one Thomas Olmstead, while he is looking for medical professionals to excommunicate seems to have no trouble coming up with legal methods to shield his fucking church from sex abuse law suits.

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Phoenix...11519.html

Quote:Olmsted, of Phoenix, Arizona, also tried to shield his archdiocese from clerical sex abuse suits by incorporating the local parishes individually.

Tellingly, he did not speak out on behalf of the victims, preferring to protect the financial interests of the Church.

The living definition of a sanctimonious cock.

(May 26, 2012 at 11:33 pm)Jesus Pipes Wrote: Having a relationship with God doesn't need to involve a middleman. Especially a corrupt and unchristlike one.

Yes, cut out the middlemen. Pocket the entire insanity.

(May 27, 2012 at 2:35 am)Minimalist Wrote: The living definition of a sanctimonious cock.

Ugh. Indeed. And for those who didn't read the article, this comes from Fr. John Ehrich, the head of Bishop Olmstead's medical ethics committee, and hopefully someone who knows a thing or two about, you know, medicine:

Quote:“In difficult situations when the mother’s life is threatened by an underlying condition, the solution can never be to directly kill her unborn child.... To do so is an abortion…. The reason for such a procedure never matters.”

So ... if the mother is going to die thanks to some kind of condition she has that the pregnancy is aggravating, you still can't terminate the pregnancy ... because two dead people (to use the Catholic Church's definition that a fetus = a person) are better than one?

Dead women can't carry pregnancies to term. That fetus is doomed no matter what. But who am I kidding ... dead women are the Catholic Church's favorite kind.

Quote:So ... if the mother is going to die thanks to some kind of condition she has that the pregnancy is aggravating, you still can't terminate the pregnancy ... because two dead people (to use the Catholic Church's definition that a fetus = a person) are better than one?

Dead women can't carry pregnancies to term. That fetus is doomed no matter what. But who am I kidding ... dead women are the Catholic Church's favorite kind.

Kill them all for god shall know his own. *note sarcasm*

I have nothing clever or witty to say on this matter. I have just vulgarities, and that's all that the church deserves:

FUCK THE CHURCH. FUCK IT RIGHT IN ITS PIN-SIZED BUTTPUCKER WITH A CACTUS.

Fucking catholic church. Eat a dick, you bunch of robe-wearing sanctimonious preachy cum-gargling tithe-whores! Tongue the deepest region of my anal quadrant and when you're done, GO SUCK YOURSELVES!

(May 26, 2012 at 10:36 pm)Ziploc Surprise Wrote: The controversy represents a PR nightmare for the Vatican. The unnamed girl's mother and doctors were excommunicated for agreeing to Wednesday's emergency abortion yet the Church has not taken formal steps against the stepfather, who is in custody. Jose Cardoso Sobrinho, the conservative regional archbishop for Pernambuco where the girl was rushed to hospital, has said that the man would not be thrown out of the Church, because although he had allegedly committed "a heinous crime", the Church took the view that "the abortion, the elimination of an innocent life, was more serious".

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/...40165.html

Sometimes blessings come in the form of hardship. At least now she is free to find a church that does not teach a works/legalism based doctrine.

She'd be better off without any fucking churches and their petty, vindictive, merciless fucking gods.

(May 27, 2012 at 1:43 pm)Minimalist Wrote: She'd be better off without any fucking churches and their petty, vindictive, merciless fucking gods.

That's just it God is not merciless. Legalistic Churches are.

My wife and i were expelled from such a place after 10 years of dedicated service from me. This was after they found out she had a 250 dollar aday Heroin habit. They told us She need to repent before the church and pray that God would heal her and make her stop. She was not ready to come forward but she did ask, or rather we asked for help. The elders response: "we are not currently able to help someone in your condition, find another church. You are welcome back when you sort things out."

At the time, devastating news especially after all the hard work, programs, and teaching I did there. I knew going (at the time) into my new marriage that she was a recovering addict. I didn't know fell off the wagon after receiving a shot of novicain at the dentist, getting her teeth fixed for the wedding..

I by nature am a complacent person and I know without this shove outside the Church i would have never truly found God Only the shadow of God that was proper up in that place. The God I found was The God of the bible which offers nothing but mercy when you simply ask, seek, knock for it, and forgive as you have been forgiven.

(May 27, 2012 at 2:05 pm)Drich Wrote:

(May 27, 2012 at 1:43 pm)Minimalist Wrote: She'd be better off without any fucking churches and their petty, vindictive, merciless fucking gods.

That's just it God is not merciless. Legalistic Churches are.

FTFY

Quote:I by nature am a complacent person and I know without this shove outside the Church i would have never truly found God Only the shadow of God that was proper up in that place. The God I found was The God of the bible which offers nothing but mercy when you simply ask, seek, knock for it, and forgive as you have been forgiven.

A billion muslims say the EXACT same thing.
Every one swears that THEIR church is good and their god is merciful ... right up until he smites you with his almighty wrath, blames you for the nature he gave you, tells his followers to kill you and then casts you into a hell that he made for you to writhe around in for eternity.


merciful --- utterly ridiculous