RE: No need to avoid sinning, all is forgiven?
June 19, 2012 at 11:23 pm
(This post was last modified: June 20, 2012 at 12:00 am by Drich.)
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Which is Exactly why one needs to seek attonement.
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You have to apologise for being human? Are you joking? Wow that's stupid.
Sorry drich, but your god is a fucking idiot.
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Not apologise. Repent. Repent means to turn from. So it is a little deeper than a basic apology.
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Especially seeming as he apparently made us that way
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It's so stupid. It's like having a baby and the moment it's born you ask him/her to apologise for existing. Are they really that fucking retarded? Fuck me that's pathetic.
What's the fucking point in god creating us this way and then asking for our apology for being this way? Wow that is just so fucking retarded.
*Slaps forehead*
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We have been given this life in order that we may choose where to spend eternity. The Choice in of itself is sin. Sin disqualifies us from deserving to be with God/Heaven. So basicly to choose is to be unworthy. Unless! attonement is offered on your behalf. One can only accept attonement if one first repents of said sin.
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[quote]Where did I say I went seeking this deity "once"? I looked for years. [/quote]
Then you stopped..
So ONCE you looked for Him and now you do not. This is not the model we have been given in Luke 11.
[quote]Went to church and participated in the silly rituals. Not once did I receive anything that could be construed as a reply.[/quote]Did you ever ask why?
[quote]And what counts as "gossip"? If I tell you that my neighbor was arrested for child abuse, does that count as "gossip"? Because if that's the case, I guess we can't pass on ANY news about somebody else. [/quote]When you talk about another or their given situation for any purpose that does not nor was intended to help them or those effected. Gossip is a way to 'elevate' yourself above your brother. The Reason God hates it is because none of us are in a position to evelivate ourselves over anyone else.
[quote]And this is without a doubt the most IDIOTIC commandment of them all. You're not supposed to "covet anything"? This means that the only things you can want in life are things you already have! How moronic is that? I guess that starving child better not want food! That would be coveting! [/quote]To Covet is to Want or Burn with desire for something intended for Yourself. Wanting food is not coveting, wanting to eat steak everynight like you brother does is. Wanting a house for your family is not coveting, wanting a better house than your neghbor is.. Wanting stuff with a burning desire that should be directed at God is coveting.
[quote]I need to "seek attonement" for being human? What kind of idiocy is this?
"Dear God, please forgive me for being the way you created me."
Yeah, makes sense to me....
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[quote]I would think the biggest sins a person can commit would be torture, killing, rape and molesting a child. Kind of nuts that gossip, anger and wanting a new iPod would be up there as well. [/quote]We are told these are on par or exceed the physical crimes. (Ask Why)
Again the point here is after 20 years of dedicated asking seeking and knocking you did not come across the passages in your bible that explain all of this. (I am asking not suggesting) Were you going through the motions of Chriistianity for twenty years or did you activly seek God for 20 years?
There is a difference between going to a club where avaiable women are, and going to a clud and talking to them. Just showing up to the club does not mean your entitled to whatever you want.
[quote]One of the greatest humanitarians in history and you suggest that he could be in hell. And you expect people to take your religion seriously?[/quote]Again "humanity" does not erase sin. It is a sin problem we have not a good deeds problem. Good deeds mean nothing in of themselves. Heaven is not about what you have done, it about what God has done for you. If you or Gandi do not accept what God has done for you then know you have elected to be seperated from God for eternity.
Whether Gandi is in Hell or not is not for me to decide. I can only tell you is that if he knew what was required of him and turned his back on God then he does not qualify for heaven despited all of the dirty rags/works he did.
[quote]Sounds like your god doesn't appreciate the severity of a transgression. I guess he would give the death penalty for every violation. Triple murderer, having an expired parking meter.... kill them all![/quote]You are confusing crime with sin. not all slights against your soceity are indeed sin. but otherwise yes. For All sin are equally sever. That would mean it is us who has devalued sin, and not God who overvalues sin. If you remember my list of definations I define morality. The devaluing of sin is the foundation of morality. As it is a standard apart from the perfect standard in which God created. It essence it is a standard that incoperated the sins we are willing to accept or live with. This standard is often based in a righteousness apart from God's or a self righteousness that a soceity agrees to live by.
[quote]Okay, then what if my "understanding" of god is to believe that he lives in volcanoes and requires regular sacrificing of young girls? Am I on the pathway to heaven?[/quote]I don't know I can give you the verse and you can sort it out with Him yourself if you like. Because 'what if's' in your situation no longer apply. you can what if all you like, but you are in a position to be responsiable for the gospel message that you have been given (appearently for 20 or so years, the fact you haven't heard God should be an indicator that something is wrong with how you spent that 20 years)
I have talked with alot of people like you, and what is wrong (most of the time) is a sin problem that you are not willing to turn from. God has shown you a sin and placed it on your heart and yet you are not willing to let it go. So you fester you personal luke warm version of christianity until you can say, "If I in all of my righteous work for the last how many years have not seen or heard from God, then their is no God to be seen or heard from." all the while ignoring or flat out denying the nagging sin that tugs on your heart..
