I didn't use the bible to establish shit, that is your domain. I've seen you do this every time someone asks you an unsavory question on this forum; you try to deflect from answering. Point me to chapter and verse where it clearly agrees with the shit you just spouted about all babies becoming or being born of demons.

(July 13, 2012 at 11:54 am)Thor Wrote: Was Mother Theresa "evil"?

Of the top of my head I can't remember the title, but there is a book about that woman, it ain't good, no not nice at all.

So are we talking about the thing itself, or the concept of the thing.

If there was a god I think everything would be going to hell, it would not be able to look into someone's eyes with out seeing in the reflection of itself the suffering it was responsible for, and I don't think it could stand that view for all eternity, so it would push us all away out of its sight.

(July 13, 2012 at 11:54 am)Thor Wrote: Your deity supposedly calls upon us to protect all children. Yet he drowns them by the truckload. He also allows pregnant women to miscarry. How many "children" (by your definition) does this kill every year? Your deity is the greatest abortionist of all!

So.. you are, now blaming God for miscarages, then you call a miscarry murder, makeing God a baby killer/murder then you awarded him the title "biggest abortionist of all time..." For doing 'wrong/immoral' by killing babies....Do you not see how you just shot your morality in the back with this one? Read what I wrote again and mayby you'll see corner you just painted yourself into.

Quote:Then how do you even know this deity is really "God"? How do you know Satan didn't really write the Babble and he has tricked you into worshipping him? Because the acts committed by your deity would make more sense if they were done by an evil entity.

Or, you being of a 'counter nature' than God has identified all aspects of the character of God not consistent with the key points of your nature/morality and labled them evil. That would mean from your persepective that would make Him satan.

How do I know He is not satan? Because I worship the God of the bible. This God has been consistent and Identifiable nature, that can be confirmed through scripture.

To summerize. You or anyone else can call God the devil (It happened once to the holy Spirit, then Jesus told them they just committed the unforgivable sin) But even so these men were allowed to make that assertion. So identifying the 'devil' outside of the bible is possiable but one has to use his own standard of righteousness to do so. This falls back on if you are going to use the bible to establish the devil then you must use the very same bible to establish who God is. If god can be established by the bible, (as satan has) then we can look to establish or identify the personality trates the bible records to find God in our own lives.

Quote:Not what other believers have told me.

appearently 'other believers' do not use the bible to establish an accurate picture of God.
Psalm 5:5, "The boastful shall not stand before Thine eyes; Thou dost hate all who do iniquity,"
• Psalm 11:5, "The Lord tests the righteous and the wicked, and the one who loves violence His soul hates."
• Lev. 20:23, "Moreover, you shall not follow the customs of the nation which I shall drive out before you, for they did all these things, and therefore I have abhorred them."
• Prov. 6:16-19, "There are six things which the Lord hates, yes, seven which are an abomination to Him: 17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 A heart that devises wicked plans, feet that run rapidly to evil, 19 A false witness who utters lies, and one who spreads strife among brothers."
• Hosea 9:15, "All their evil is at Gilgal; indeed, I came to hate them there! Because of the wickedness of their deeds I will drive them out of My house! I will love them no more; All their princes are rebels."
Mal: 2 “I have loved you,” says the Lord. But you say, “How have you loved us?” “Is not Esau Jacob’s brother?” declares the Lord. “Yet I have loved Jacob 3 but Esau I have hated. I have laid waste his hill country and left his heritage to jackals ...

Quote:Not even if this deity appeared before you and commanded you to drown your children?

Do you believe me to be Greater than Christ? what about any of the Apstoles, Prophets, or Anyone who had cause to write anything in the bible? I know I am not greater than any of these men. therefore I know God would not give me a command or revelation that would countermand anything that has already been recorded. Otherwise that would mean my word/My revelation would be Greater than the words or wisdom of Christ Himself. That takes a special kind of crazy that i am not privy too. (Joseph Smith/Mohammad crazy) again because of them and their 'special revelations' we know the Devil can pretend to be God or a Messenger of the Most High God.

So no even if i was convinced it stood before God (at the time) and he gave me a command not consitant with established scripture I would have to decline, maybe even lay the bible smack down on him as well.. It depends on how big and scarry he made himself out to be.

You asked

Quote: how does this make sense?:

Babies are not always the one who grow up to be criminals. some babies are to be victims. What is better dying at the hand of a loving God or being sacerficed beaten, raped, and/or eaten.

Quote:Bullshit. Everyone does things they shouldn't do. This doesn't necessarily make you "evil".

According to the sliding scale of morality you have adopted no. But according to God's standard it does.

Quote:Was Mother Theresa "evil"?

According to the God she worshiped Yes, absolutly, without Question!!

Quote:And here we have the mental gymnastics to justify why your deity would kill babies, toddlers and innocents.

What is with you guys? IF You can use the bible to condemn God for a flood you say did not even exist. That means your whole case is predicated upon what the bible teaches. That means (Logically) that you can not ignore the bible when it Give reasons and explainations as to the reason why.

Quote:Hitler spread terror and came pretty close to destroying an entire continent. But this wasn't even worthy of your deity's attention.

No Hitler was one man who inspired a whole nation. The hybrid wickedness that roamed the earth in the day of noah was so far above and beyond the efforts of one man/one nation of men, the bible says world had not every witnessed nor will ever witness again the evil that walk this earth.

Quote: The Greeks called them Demi gods. Moses called them 'Men of Great renoun." They were the offspring of the Fallen angels/demons and women. The rest of the world's popultrion worshiped them as Gods or were being preyed upon by these 'gods.'

Quote:And your evidence for this steaming pile of manure is.....?

the same evidence you used to judge and condemn God. the bible.

Quote:So because horribly evil people were allowed to exist and create untold carnage, the people your deity supposedly destroyed must have been much worse?

Not people. Literally men without souls, and men/Demon Hybrids.

Quote:So what? The baboon mothers take care of their offspring.

Until their is a new alpha. then she hands the baby over to be killed and or eaten. This is why we need God to tell us not to do these things.

In Korea when their is a child of a divoriced couple. The mother is expected to give the child up before remarrying. (usally to grandparents of a childless member of the family, but if no one in the family will take them, then they are given up for adoption.) For them this is a 'Moral' obligation to the new man's house hold.

Quote:Would you allow a raped woman to gat an abortion if the rape resulted in a pregnancy?

Again you have failed to comperhend the most basic level of understanding here. It's not about the inhearent value of your actions. It's about the identification of sin. From this identification we go to repentance and then attonement. we do not define ourselves by our actions, but where we stand with Christ.

"Morality" is the oppsite. It assigns right and wrong to the deeds themselves. Making your actions the tell of the type of person you are. If you are a good person you do good things. If you are a bad person you do bad things. The problem here is the illusion of doing 'good=being good.' If one is good then one deserves reward. Where it becomes an issue is when one perceives himself as good then he will justify all mannor of 'bad' to retain his title. Hence you attempt of entrapment and your dare to answer. the fact that you laid this little trap means you STILL do not understand what is being discussed.

Even so:

Quote: Because if you say yes, then you're allowing an innocent unborn child to be killed (according to what you stated earlier). If you say no, you are condemning an innocent woman to go through with a pregnancy she neither wanted nor did anything to initiate.

Did I rape this woman? then what say do i have in the birth? that is between Mother Father Child and God. If the Mother decides to terminate, then that desision will be between Herself her child and God. Whehter Abortion is legal or not this decision has been made since the beginning of soceity.

Even if that woman was my daughter or my wife that desision would still be hers to make. For in the end she would have to live with the rape and the knoweledge of what happened to that child.

(July 13, 2012 at 2:53 pm)jonb Wrote:

(July 13, 2012 at 11:54 am)Thor Wrote: Was Mother Theresa "evil"?

Of the top of my head I can't remember the title, but there is a book about that woman, it ain't good, no not nice at all.

So are we talking about the thing itself, or the concept of the thing.

If there was a god I think everything would be going to hell, it would not be able to look into someone's eyes with out seeing in the reflection of itself the suffering it was responsible for, and I don't think it could stand that view for all eternity, so it would push us all away out of its sight.

I think you're talking about The Missionary Position by Christopher Hitchens. It presents a compelling case... if alittle derogatory.

GC Wrote:I'm more than ready for a little twit like you.

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Drich Wrote:....you D-bags ...

Nice talk, Christians. Tell me, do you come from the Westboro-Fred Phelps School of Suthrin' Baptist Apologetics, then?

(July 13, 2012 at 1:59 pm)Gambit Wrote: I didn't use the bible to establish shit, that is your domain. I've seen you do this every time someone asks you an unsavory question on this forum; you try to deflect from answering.

I "do this" because 'Obstinate' people are so foolish to think it is perfectly logical to pick and choose what they wish to discuss from scripture. For instance if a 'obstinate person' wanted to judge and condemn god and the WHole of Christianity he would most often 'pick' one single aspect of the flood account, and then rather than take the stated reason of the flood given by the bible, they substitute their own reasons or misrepersent the innocents of the people living at that time. Then demand a 'Christian'/biblically accurate accounting of the actions of God on their version of the story. If the Cristian brother is true to scripture then he can not answer the version stated. So a retelling or correction is needed. But for some of you D-bags this is not enough. you claim that somehow you have the right to change the story anyway you want, and then demand an account for it! Not only that you are often times indignate of the corrections to your version of the story.

Quote:Point me to chapter and verse where it clearly agrees with the shit you just spouted about all babies becoming or being born of demons.

Gladly, right after you show me where I said ALL babies were born of Demons

Drich Wrote:But for some of you D-bags this is not enough...

Please provide biblical support that allows you to insult people that way.

(July 13, 2012 at 4:08 pm)Faith No More Wrote:

Drich Wrote:But for some of you D-bags this is not enough...

Please provide biblical support that allows you to insult people that way.

what way?

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When did Dirt-Bag become a bad word?

Don't be obtuse, numbnuts. Even if you did mean dirt-bag(and we all know you didn't), I said 'insult,' not 'bad word.'

You seem to be so hung up on having the bible as the foundation for your life that I was just wondering where Jesus said it's okay to insult people.

(July 13, 2012 at 3:17 pm)Drich Wrote:

(July 13, 2012 at 1:59 pm)Gambit Wrote: I didn't use the bible to establish shit, that is your domain. I've seen you do this every time someone asks you an unsavory question on this forum; you try to deflect from answering.

I "do this" because 'Obstinate' people are so foolish to think it is perfectly logical to pick and choose what they wish to discuss from scripture. For instance if a 'obstinate person' wanted to judge and condemn god and the WHole of Christianity he would most often 'pick' one single aspect of the flood account, and then rather than take the stated reason of the flood given by the bible, they substitute their own reasons or misrepersent the innocents of the people living at that time. Then demand a 'Christian'/biblically accurate accounting of the actions of God on their version of the story. If the Cristian brother is true to scripture then he can not answer the version stated. So a retelling or correction is needed. But for some of you D-bags this is not enough. you claim that somehow you have the right to change the story anyway you want, and then demand an account for it! Not only that you are often times indignate of the corrections to your version of the story.

Quote:Point me to chapter and verse where it clearly agrees with the shit you just spouted about all babies becoming or being born of demons.

Gladly, right after you show me where I said ALL babies were born of Demons

Okay, so you didn’t say all babies, which only makes it worse because then God drowned the human babies too, no? You then went on to use this as a justification for their slaying. Nice attempt to wriggle out of it, though.

’Drich’ Wrote:The babies being born to women were not all human babies. The Greeks called them Demi gods. Moses called them 'Men of Great renoun." They were the offspring of the Fallen angels/demons and women. The rest of the world's popultrion worshiped them as Gods or were being preyed upon by these 'gods.' This is why I believe there is truth in "mythology.'

Plus if you take my interpertation of the creation account into consideration. Not all men living/babies being born were made in the image of God.
(Born with a soul/decendants of Adam) All of the 'Monkey Men' died when the earth was flooded as well.

Now, please direct me to the chapter and verse that states this so that I may read it myself. Also, please direct me to the chapter in verse where it specifically states that these babies were any part of God's reason for bringing the flood.

Oh and by the way, don't call someone obstinate whenever you're the one who believes in a God which has no evidence to support its existence, yet keep banging on as if you have all the answers. You refuse to stop believing in fairy tales even though your God is receding further and further with every passing discovery. Well fuck me if that doesn't fit the description of an obstinate person. Prove God exists, otherwise - Pot - meet kettle.