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RE: A Real and Significant Biblical Contradiction?
August 15, 2012 at 1:12 am
Quote:But the only people laughing were folk who were ignorant of the fact that Abraham and is family were from - perhaps the largest city in the world at that time - Ur in Mesopotamia.
Your fucking bible specifies
"King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And Terah took Abram his son, and Lot the son of Haran his son's son, and Sarai his daughter in law, his son Abram's wife; and they went forth with them from Ur of the Chaldees, to go into the land of Canaan; and they came unto Haran, and dwelt there."
Gen 11:31
The Chaldeans did not arrive in the area until after 1,000 BC which means that "this" Ur had nothing to do with the creation of cuneiform and sure as shit was not one of the largest cities in the world.
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RE: A Real and Significant Biblical Contradiction?
August 15, 2012 at 1:12 am
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(August 14, 2012 at 9:23 am)spockrates Wrote: The reasoning seems to be that only a God who is omniscient (or perhaps exists in) the future knows the future. There are many hundreds of predictions of the future made by Old Testament prophets. Nearly every ancient city within a thousand-mile radius of Jerusalem had its history predicted by these men who claimed to be God's spokespersons. All you have to do is prove one false to show the prophet who uttered it had no business saying God spoke to him.
You've got to be shitting me Spock....... I have to ask this upfront, is this part compelling to you, does this strengthen your conclusions with regards to faith? Is it important to you that this statement be a factually accurate assessment of reality? If so, you should make a thread. If not, I'm just going to tell you plainly that what you've just said is complete and utter bullshit and leave it at that. There are no fortune tellers in the world, they exist only in fairy tales.
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RE: A Real and Significant Biblical Contradiction?
August 15, 2012 at 1:19 am
Quote:All you have to do is prove one false to show the prophet who uttered it had no business saying God spoke to him.
Too easy, Spocky.
Quote:Ezekiel 29:8-12
New International Version (NIV)
8 “‘Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord says: I will bring a sword against you and kill both man and beast. 9 Egypt will become a desolate wasteland. Then they will know that I am the Lord.
“‘Because you said, “The Nile is mine; I made it, ” 10 therefore I am against you and against your streams, and I will make the land of Egypt a ruin and a desolate waste from Migdol to Aswan, as far as the border of Cush.[a] 11 The foot of neither man nor beast will pass through it; no one will live there for forty years. 12 I will make the land of Egypt desolate among devastated lands, and her cities will lie desolate forty years among ruined cities. And I will disperse the Egyptians among the nations and scatter them through the countries.
Never fucking happened.
The problem with you clowns is that you treat this bullshit as prophecies....
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RE: A Real and Significant Biblical Contradiction?
August 15, 2012 at 1:28 am
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(August 15, 2012 at 1:12 am)Minimalist Wrote: (August 15, 2012 at 12:31 am)Lion IRC Wrote: I think you've been duped by a Hitchens canard about the Children of Israel not possessing a germ theory of disease - when in fact they were doing stuff thousands of years ahead of their time.
Mr Hitchens once stood up in front of a big audience in Australia and mocked the Patriarch Abraham as an illiterate goat hearder.
And he got a lot of laughs from the "some sort of ignorance" crowd.
But the only people laughing were folk who were ignorant of the fact that Abraham and is family were from - perhaps the largest city in the world at that time - Ur in Mesopotamia.
...where writing was invented!
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Your fucking bible specifies
"King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And Terah took Abram his son, and Lot the son of Haran his son's son, and Sarai his daughter in law, his son Abram's wife; and they went forth with them from Ur of the Chaldees, to go into the land of Canaan; and they came unto Haran, and dwelt there."
Gen 11:31
The Chaldeans did not arrive in the area until after 1,000 BC which means that "this" Ur had nothing to do with the creation of cuneiform and sure as shit was not one of the largest cities in the world.
Wait.
Are you saying that writing was well established long before Abraham and Terah?
Good. I agree. Thanks.
UR: The world's largest city in 2100 BC
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RE: A Real and Significant Biblical Contradiction?
August 15, 2012 at 1:42 am
Quote:UR: The world's largest city in 2100 BC
Not the same "Ur", idiot!
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RE: A Real and Significant Biblical Contradiction?
August 15, 2012 at 1:48 am
(August 15, 2012 at 1:42 am)Minimalist Wrote: Quote:UR: The world's largest city in 2100 BC
Not the same "Ur", idiot!
Longitutude / Latitude ?
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RE: A Real and Significant Biblical Contradiction?
August 15, 2012 at 1:50 am
You CANNOT be this stupid.
You must be a troll.
Or a republican.
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RE: A Real and Significant Biblical Contradiction?
August 15, 2012 at 1:53 am
So you're pulling out of the discussion?
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RE: A Real and Significant Biblical Contradiction?
August 15, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Like Min said, Ur of the Chaldees was at earliest founded at 1,000BC. It is not the same Ur as the ancient city of Sumer. Also, even if Abraham/Ibrahim was from Ur where writing was invented, it's very improbable that he would've been able to write. Writing was mainly used for records and by the wealthy denizens of Sumer, not by random goat herders. This was still the case around 200 years ago, let alone over 4,000.
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RE: A Real and Significant Biblical Contradiction?
August 15, 2012 at 9:37 pm
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(August 15, 2012 at 1:48 pm)Tobie Wrote: Like Min said, Ur of the Chaldees was at earliest founded at 1,000BC. It is not the same Ur as the ancient city of Sumer. Also, even if Abraham/Ibrahim was from Ur where writing was invented, it's very improbable that he would've been able to write. Writing was mainly used for records and by the wealthy denizens of Sumer, not by random goat herders. This was still the case around 200 years ago, let alone over 4,000.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur
Quote:Ur is mentioned four times in the Torah or Old Testament, with the distinction "of the Kasdim/Kasdin"—traditionally rendered in English as "Ur of the Chaldees".
Exactly how many different cities called Ur do you think there were scattered around Mesopotamia in biblical times?
What makes you think running a pastoral agri-business, feeding hungry city dwellers is incompatible with being wealthy?
I suppose you're gonna claim that he could count the number of animals in his flock either.
The bible records Abraham as being very wealthy. The dude hung out with Kings and Pharaohs. Do you really think he had no wealth? No ability to reckon financial matters?
His father Terah had years and years and years (205?) to teach Abraham how to read and write.
Here's some commerce for you - book keeping.
"And Abram was very rich in cattle, in silver, and in gold."(Genesis 13:2)
...so wealthy in fact that Abraham had herdsmen to do his work.
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