(September 8, 2012 at 4:39 am)pocaracas Wrote:

(September 8, 2012 at 4:02 am)Godschild Wrote: Your ect. just shows how little you pay attention to what scripture says, why don't you use some reasoning instead of listening to people who care only to destroy Christianity.

Yeah, right... define "scripture".
King James is not good enough for you?

http://www.bartleby.com/108/05/22.html Wrote:¶ If a man be found lying with a woman married to a husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel.
23 ¶ If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto a husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;
24 then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbor's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.
25 ¶ But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her; then the man only that lay with her shall die:
26 but unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbor, and slayeth him, even so is this matter:
27 for he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her.
28 ¶ If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
29 then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days. Ex. 22.16, 17

I find it curious how you seem to be getting into a corner.

The scriptures are all of God's word no matter what translation it is, if you do not know what scriptures are then how is it you believe you can understand them. Personally I use the NASB and the ESB.
I see the problem you have with the scriptures above, why don't you try and reason them out, a little history would help you on this one, all in all it's simple. By the way I see no corner, I live with the Truth and in the Truth one is set free, not put into a corner.

All scripture is profitable.

(September 10, 2012 at 3:24 am)Lion IRC Wrote: All scripture is profitable.

THAT depends entirely on one's place on the religious food chain. IE on if one is an exploiter or an exploitee.

(September 10, 2012 at 3:30 am)padraic Wrote:

(September 10, 2012 at 3:24 am)Lion IRC Wrote: All scripture is profitable.

THAT depends entirely on one's place on the religious food chain. IE on if one is an exploiter or an exploitee.

Absolutely pad!

xtians along with any other "religion" are nothing but merchants "selling a product"

More fool be he who buys into this product.

(September 10, 2012 at 2:09 am)Godschild Wrote:

(September 8, 2012 at 4:39 am)pocaracas Wrote: Yeah, right... define "scripture".
King James is not good enough for you?


I find it curious how you seem to be getting into a corner.

The scriptures are all of God's word no matter what translation it is, if you do not know what scriptures are then how is it you believe you can understand them. Personally I use the NASB and the ESB.
I see the problem you have with the scriptures above, why don't you try and reason them out, a little history would help you on this one, all in all it's simple. By the way I see no corner, I live with the Truth and in the Truth one is set free, not put into a corner.

It's not that I don't know what the scriptures are... it's that I had serious doubts that my concept was the same as yours.
Apparently, we're in sync on that one.
But I fail to see that I have any problem with any piece of scripture. It looks plain enough... no history or anything required.
Or are you implying that all scripture must be interpreted according to the time it was written? Shouldn't your god have been a little more precise in his inspiration and provided a time-proof document?



Oh wait, I forgot.... it was written by a patriarchal people who imagined this god thing by putting in him a few characteristics of other previous gods that they had heard about.

Whatever is in that book, is just the ramblings of these people and should account for nothing in our society which is very very different from theirs, don't you agree?
Why then are so many people from this society so hung up on this book?

I can't imagine how strange this book will look to people who will live 500 years from now! Perhaps as strange as the Egyptian book of the dead... and as non-representative of reality.

(September 10, 2012 at 2:09 am)Godschild Wrote:

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The scriptures are all of God's word no matter what translation it is, if you do not know what scriptures are then how is it you believe you can understand them. Personally I use the NASB and the ESB.
I see the problem you have with the scriptures above, why don't you try and reason them out, a little history would help you on this one, all in all it's simple. By the way I see no corner, I live with the Truth and in the Truth one is set free, not put into a corner.

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pocaracas Wrote:It's not that I don't know what the scriptures are... it's that I had serious doubts that my concept was the same as yours.
Apparently, we're in sync on that one.

Good, I'm glad we are, I have often wondered if others understood what I meant when I referred to the scriptures, it was questioned once before.

pocaracas Wrote:But I fail to see that I have any problem with any piece of scripture. It looks plain enough... no history or anything required.
Or are you implying that all scripture must be interpreted according to the time it was written? Shouldn't your god have been a little more precise in his inspiration and provided a time-proof document?

I do not see how you can believe the two incidents in the scriptures you gave are close to the same, and yes in this case a little history of the times would clear things up. Hopefully you will research this and have a better understanding of the depth of study serious Christians do. Did you ever consider God might want us to use the brains He gave us. Haven't I heard it many times that this generation is the smartest yet, could be God wants to see if we will stand up to this claim.

pocaracas Wrote:Oh wait, I forgot.... it was written by a patriarchal people who imagined this god thing by putting in him a few characteristics of other previous gods that they had heard about.

Whatever is in that book, is just the ramblings of these people and should account for nothing in our society which is very very different from theirs, don't you agree?
Why then are so many people from this society so hung up on this book?

I can't imagine how strange this book will look to people who will live 500 years from now! Perhaps as strange as the Egyptian book of the dead... and as non-representative of reality.

I would bet that has been said many times through the last 2000 years, what do you think.

(September 10, 2012 at 2:09 am)Godschild Wrote: The scriptures are all of God's word no matter what translation it is, if you do not know what scriptures are then how is it you believe you can understand them. Personally I use the NASB and the ESB.
I see the problem you have with the scriptures above, why don't you try and reason them out, a little history would help you on this one, all in all it's simple. By the way I see no corner, I live with the Truth and in the Truth one is set free, not put into a corner.

Godschild, I have a few questions for you:

1. what made you choose your Protestant Bible with 66 books?

2. Which Church Council do you accept as legitimate for your Canon of Scriptures?

3. What basis have you got for rejecting the other Church Councils?

4. Have you examined and researched on the legitimacy of the claims of the RCC for their canon and the claims of the Orthodox churches on their even larger canon?

(September 11, 2012 at 3:35 am)Godschild Wrote:

pocaracas Wrote:But I fail to see that I have any problem with any piece of scripture. It looks plain enough... no history or anything required.
Or are you implying that all scripture must be interpreted according to the time it was written? Shouldn't your god have been a little more precise in his inspiration and provided a time-proof document?

I do not see how you can believe the two incidents in the scriptures you gave are close to the same, and yes in this case a little history of the times would clear things up. Hopefully you will research this and have a better understanding of the depth of study serious Christians do. Did you ever consider God might want us to use the brains He gave us. Haven't I heard it many times that this generation is the smartest yet, could be God wants to see if we will stand up to this claim.

I would bet that has been said many times through the last 2000 years, what do you think.
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I still think it's plain: If a woman betrays her husband or fiance, she (and her lover) must die. If a man rapes a woman, he must die.

They must have had problems of overpopulation in that part of the world, back then.

Still, no excuse to claim the book as a good source of morals.

(September 11, 2012 at 4:15 pm)pocaracas Wrote: I still think it's plain: If a woman betrays her husband or fiance, she (and her lover) must die. If a man rapes a woman, he must die.

They must have had problems of overpopulation in that part of the world, back then.

Still, no excuse to claim the book as a good source of morals.

What happens if a woman betrays her husband , but the husband rapes the lover . Can they then call it quits?

Then the husband marries the lover after which the wife and the lover must die. Unless the lover is a woman, in which case the husband has to die as well. Biblical morality is fun!