Posts: 1302
Threads: 13
Joined: October 11, 2012
Reputation:
19
RE: why there is a need to see in order to believe?
October 12, 2012 at 1:27 pm
(This post was last modified: October 12, 2012 at 1:30 pm by Gilgamesh.)
(October 12, 2012 at 11:07 am)wkl6644 Wrote: So then western powers meddling so much of the affair of other countries and getting a terrorist backlash in return. And continue on to wage wars to get even against each other be regarded as desire for justice. It is not a desire It is a need. Just like food. You upset that need then chaotic come s in. No one will follow rules and order.
If by 'upset that need' you mean stop trying to get even, then you're most definitely wrong about the part where chaos comes in. Quite the opposite of chaos, actually. I take it your god thinks 'an eye for an eye' is justice and applicable to every scenario?
Posts: 13051
Threads: 66
Joined: February 7, 2011
Reputation:
92
RE: why there is a need to see in order to believe?
October 12, 2012 at 1:59 pm
(October 12, 2012 at 11:07 am)wkl6644 Wrote: So then western powers meddling so much of the affair of other countries and getting a terrorist backlash in return. And continue on to wage wars to get even against each other be regarded as desire for justice. It is not a desire It is a need. Just like food. You upset that need then chaotic come s in. No one will follow rules and order.
I think before we go any further you're going to have to define justice as you see it if you're going to keep trying to use it as a justification for an afterlife.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
Posts: 69248
Threads: 3759
Joined: August 2, 2009
Reputation:
259
RE: why there is a need to see in order to believe?
October 12, 2012 at 2:02 pm
(October 12, 2012 at 6:56 am)Napoléon Wrote: (October 12, 2012 at 6:52 am)Darwinian Wrote: Perhaps a lifetime of being denied a decent education, being taught about logic and critical thinking and instead being fed on a diet of religious education, faith and a fear of questioning.
That's a possibility. Perhaps he's just wilfully ignorant, who knows.
I'm guessing just another troll.
Posts: 3117
Threads: 16
Joined: September 17, 2012
Reputation:
35
RE: why there is a need to see in order to believe?
October 12, 2012 at 3:38 pm
Read Exodus 20 and 21 for an idea of god's 'justice'. Most of it is ridiculous.
Here's something to think about:
Exodus 21:23-24
Matthew 5:38-42
Well, it seems we have a problem here. Jesus just overturned god's previous command. And we wonder why god had him killed off...
Who's rebellious now?
John Adams Wrote:The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.
Posts: 4196
Threads: 60
Joined: September 8, 2011
Reputation:
30
RE: why there is a need to see in order to believe?
October 12, 2012 at 5:39 pm
(October 12, 2012 at 3:38 pm)Darkstar Wrote: Well, it seems we have a problem here. Jesus just overturned god's previous command. And we wonder why god had him killed off...
And tortured him first.
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
-- Homer Simpson
God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion.
-- Superintendent Chalmers
Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things.
-- Ned Flanders
Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral.
-- The Rev Lovejoy
Posts: 5436
Threads: 138
Joined: September 6, 2012
Reputation:
58
RE: why there is a need to see in order to believe?
October 12, 2012 at 5:43 pm
I find the strawmen arguments of the religious to be ever amusing. Like simplifying evidence into sight. My guess is that the poster is either very young and repeating something his pastor told him, or a troll.
Posts: 27
Threads: 1
Joined: October 12, 2012
Reputation:
0
RE: why there is a need to see in order to believe?
October 12, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Mister Agenda.
Human always get what they desire or need for justice weather in a form of fortune or misfortune They just don't realize it. It Isjustit is not happening at the time that they want It to happen. It comes mistiriously out of no where sometimes . I Don make believe It will happen in after life but logic sense kicks in to say It has to happen. Otherwise unpunished childkiller just rot like that in the grave just like a good human.
Try to do injustice to your physical thing. Like a car. Sooner or later It will. Break down that is justice. In summary It is cause and effect phenomena. It has to happen someday in lifetime or afterdeath
the time when your get lucky is a time when the creater or God rewards you for the good deeds.
Posts: 3117
Threads: 16
Joined: September 17, 2012
Reputation:
35
RE: why there is a need to see in order to believe?
October 12, 2012 at 7:47 pm
(October 12, 2012 at 7:40 pm)wkl6644 Wrote: Mister Agenda.
Human always get what they desire or need for justice weather in a form of fortune or misfortune They just don't realize it. It Isjustit is not happening at the time that they want It to happen. It comes mistiriously out of no where sometimes . I Don make believe It will happen in after life but logic sense kicks in to say It has to happen. Otherwise unpunished childkiller just rot like that in the grave just like a good human.
Try to do injustice to your physical thing. Like a car. Sooner or later It will. Break down that is justice. In summary It is cause and effect phenomena. It has to happen someday in lifetime or afterdeath
the time when your get lucky is a time when the creater or God rewards you for the good deeds.
 I really can't understand you. Are you trying to say that good/bad luck is the product of our morality.
John Adams Wrote:The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.
Posts: 27
Threads: 1
Joined: October 12, 2012
Reputation:
0
RE: why there is a need to see in order to believe?
October 12, 2012 at 7:56 pm
(This post was last modified: October 12, 2012 at 7:59 pm by wkl6644.)
IATIA,
I am not a christian. Trinity is against logic.
Right. Mister agenda. English is not my daily spoken language. But that is what i meant for that luck part
Posts: 4196
Threads: 60
Joined: September 8, 2011
Reputation:
30
RE: why there is a need to see in order to believe?
October 12, 2012 at 8:06 pm
(October 12, 2012 at 7:56 pm)wkl6644 Wrote: IATIA,
I am not a christian. I do not recollect suggesting as such. wkl6644 Wrote:Trinity is against logic. So is god.
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
-- Homer Simpson
God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion.
-- Superintendent Chalmers
Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things.
-- Ned Flanders
Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral.
-- The Rev Lovejoy
|
