(October 13, 2012 at 5:55 pm)Drich Wrote: Indeed. The funny thing is 'we' don't know what we want. God does because He created us needing what the Holy Spirit offers. One may not think he needs what God offers, but once you have it all of the pieces fit together and the hole in your heart gets filled. Then contentment and peace follows. all for a/s/k for what God has told you need.

How is this any different from "it's all in your head"?
How can you be more confident that it's god putting pieces fitting together rather than your own mind putting them together?

(October 13, 2012 at 6:24 pm)pocaracas Wrote:

(October 13, 2012 at 5:55 pm)Drich Wrote: Indeed. The funny thing is 'we' don't know what we want. God does because He created us needing what the Holy Spirit offers. One may not think he needs what God offers, but once you have it all of the pieces fit together and the hole in your heart gets filled. Then contentment and peace follows. all for a/s/k for what God has told you need.

How is this any different from "it's all in your head"?
How can you be more confident that it's god putting pieces fitting together rather than your own mind putting them together?

Because if your 'mind' is seeking what it wants, and God offers something we do not know we want or need and that works while what we want only leaves us wanting more. Then how is it all in our head if we we find contentment if we are not seeking it in what God is offering?

Also, what's the difference between all this "contentment and peace" bilge and preaching? It's a fine line, I realise, however I feel there is a possibility if not an actuality of it being crossed somewhere hereabouts.

(October 13, 2012 at 2:17 pm)Drich Wrote: It's a non denominnational faith centered around scripture rather than empty dogma or doctrine.
http://www.harvestbiblechapel.org/

That's a pretty slick website and they've really got their marketing together. How much do you have to kick in each week?

(October 13, 2012 at 6:40 pm)Drich Wrote: [Because if your 'mind' is seeking what it wants, and God offers something we do not know we want or need and that works while what we want only leaves us wanting more. Then how is it all in our head if we we find contentment if we are not seeking it in what God is offering?

You find contentment because it is in your head. God somehow offers every theist exactly what they want because they can make up anything. If anything good happens in your life, it was god. Anything bad happens, well, he can't be expected to do everything, right? (Though there would be no way to distinguish between his doing it and it occuring due to ther factors.)

God offers us nothing. If god offered us something, then why doesn't he answer prayers? (And don't say because we are asking for something selfish; If I pray for the starving kids in Africa they will still be starving).

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(October 13, 2012 at 12:40 am)Drich Wrote: Do you not know the story of God and Aberham? God was the God of the Jews. (the sons of Aberham) He did not care what the others did. Again not all who live are the 'sons' of God. Meaning God does not love everyone equally. There are even some He hates.

Uhh...Let's look at this again. "God was the god of the Jews"...
Now, what does that tell you? It tells you that the Jews worshiped him as their god. It does not explain why god offered Judaism to only a small portion of the world, and why he let them worship false gods for a long time before revealing himself. By your logic (and, in fact, from what I understand) god arbitrarily revealed himself to the Isrealites and helped them decimate the world in his name. Why them? Why didn't he show himself before paganism took hold? Or is it because he wouldn't have had a [weak] justification to spill some blood?

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It's a non denominnational faith centered around scripture rather than empty dogma or doctrine.
http://www.harvestbiblechapel.org/[/quote]

That's a pretty slick website and they've really got their marketing together. How much do you have to kick in each week?
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Actually they do not have a collection they just have envolpes by the door for those who want to give.

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[quote]You find contentment because it is in your head. [/quote]Again no. For we seek contentment in a better Job, a bigger house, good health, a pretty girl friend/wife. all these are the types of things we seek contentment in. For me it took God taking all of these things from me before i found contentment. When I sat on the bottom I can assure you with all honesty content would be the last way I would describe myself. Yet i remained faithful and contentment was given.

[quote]God somehow offers every theist exactly what they want because they can make up anything. If anything good happens in your life, it was god. Anything bad happens, well, he can't be expected to do everything, right? (Though there would be no way to distinguish between his doing it and it occuring due to ther factors.)[/quote]Actually I have found the oppsite to be true. When things are going too good I take a 'moral inventory" of my life to make sure I am still connected with God. Because an easy life breeds complacancy. Christ warned us about becomming Luke warm. so why would God give something that would make us Luke warm in our faith? I have also found in my darkest hours I have been given the greatest gifts. My greatest strengths were forged on the threashing room floor. God's gift can be found where we would not think to look or ask.

[quote]God offers us nothing. If god offered us something, then why doesn't he answer prayers? [/quote]He does, but according to His will and not your own for He is not your personal genie.

[quote](And don't say because we are asking for something selfish; If I pray for the starving kids in Africa they will still be starving).[/quote] when was the last time you asked for this? If you ask loud enough He will answer. I can tell you what His answer would be because I heard it when I prayed a similar prayer. He will tell you Go and fill that need. That His work will be done by your hands.

So pray that prayer Knock on that door, but know when the oppertunity arises and you refuse, you will knock for a very long time before any door is open to you again.

[quote]Uhh...Let's look at this again. "God was the god of the Jews"...
Now, what does that tell you? It tells you that the Jews worshiped him as their god. It does not explain why god offered Judaism to only a small portion of the world, and why he let them worship false gods for a long time before revealing himself.[/quote]Actually it does exxplain why God only offered Himself to s select few. Because God does not love everyone the same. He knows you are not basically a 'good person,' and that you have little to any redeeming qualities of your own accord. He also know the rest of the world suffers from this as well. The reason He choose the jews was because their father Aberham, had a faith that impressed God, so He made a promise to aberham to make him a great nation that from which the whole world would be blessed/saved.

[quote]By your logic (and, in fact, from what I understand) god arbitrarily revealed himself to the Isrealites and helped them decimate the world in his name. Why them? Why didn't he show himself before paganism took hold? Or is it because he wouldn't have had a [weak] justification to spill some blood?[/quote]see above.(the unworthy/not basically good people bit.)

(October 12, 2012 at 12:38 am)Drich Wrote: Now would you do the same for someone elses bastard spawn who hates you undermines everything you do, who wishes ill on your family, curses your children personally, and leads others to do so as well? Would you risk your life for and provide for someone who has killed one of your kids? Would you consider this kid your son even after you look past all of the transgressions this bastard committed against you and your family (the death of your only son) And yet he still hated and lashed out at you every single chance he got?

Someone else's bastard son? So you are openly acknowledging that there are other fathers besides "The Father" from whom I might have issued. Good to know you're relaxing that monotheism bit, with the three headed god that is nowhere at all. Most confusing.

Oh, and in case you haven't been keeping up on current events, noone alive contributed materially to the death of your stick figure god. (Save, perhaps, the wandering Jew. Remember him? You cunts.)

Baka.


Anyway, I'm here on a different errand. I was told that someone needed their head separated from their shoulders. If somebody will point me in the right direction, I'll be on my way.

"For me it took..." Yes, for you, not necessarily for others.



Actually, that was what I was reffering to. Not a general good mood, per se, but a good event that breaks a trend.

Drich Wrote:

Darkstar Wrote:God offers us nothing. If god offered us something, then why doesn't he answer prayers?

He does, but according to His will and not your own for He is not your personal genie.

I've heard the 'gumball machine' argument before. Firstly:
Matthew 7:7 “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you."
Of course, some prayers that are never answered.
How is there a difference between god answering prayers when he feels like it and not doing it at all? There is no way to tell the difference.




Me: Uh, god? There are some starving kids in Africa, and ones dying of diseases you created, so could you please help them? I'm just a poor college kid, I don't have much money to give.
god: pfft, yeah right! Do it yourself, fill that need! I have better things to do, like help Tebow score some touchdowns.



I see... How exactly did Abraham have [more] impressive faith if god didn't reveal himself to other people? Why did god never advocate peace?



Why didn't he reveal himself and then see who had impressive faith? Or did he purposely allow paganism to spread as a test of faith?

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(October 13, 2012 at 11:26 pm)apophenia Wrote: Someone else's bastard son? So you are openly acknowledging that there are other fathers besides "The Father" from whom I might have issued.

Yes, God is not the only one with horses in this race.

Quote: Good to know you're relaxing that monotheism bit, with the three headed god that is nowhere at all. Most confusing.

then ask a question from where your confusion stems.

Quote:Oh, and in case you haven't been keeping up on current events, noone alive contributed materially to the death of your stick figure god.

I know I did, and I know all other 'christians' would say they also had a stake in the death of Christ as well. thatjust leaves everyone else alive whether they are willing to admit it or not.

Quote:I know I did, and I know all other 'christians' would say they also had a stake in the death of Christ as well. thatjust leaves everyone else alive whether they are willing to admit it or not.

I had no stake in anything that happened 2,000 years before my birth.

Like the great Hitch said, if I'd been there at the time, I'd have felt the moral obligation to try to stop it.