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RE: Ask, Seek, Knock
October 13, 2012 at 6:24 pm
(October 13, 2012 at 5:55 pm)Drich Wrote: Indeed. The funny thing is 'we' don't know what we want. God does because He created us needing what the Holy Spirit offers. One may not think he needs what God offers, but once you have it all of the pieces fit together and the hole in your heart gets filled. Then contentment and peace follows. all for a/s/k for what God has told you need. How is this any different from "it's all in your head"?
How can you be more confident that it's god putting pieces fitting together rather than your own mind putting them together?
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RE: Ask, Seek, Knock
October 13, 2012 at 6:40 pm
(October 13, 2012 at 6:24 pm)pocaracas Wrote: (October 13, 2012 at 5:55 pm)Drich Wrote: Indeed. The funny thing is 'we' don't know what we want. God does because He created us needing what the Holy Spirit offers. One may not think he needs what God offers, but once you have it all of the pieces fit together and the hole in your heart gets filled. Then contentment and peace follows. all for a/s/k for what God has told you need. How is this any different from "it's all in your head"?
How can you be more confident that it's god putting pieces fitting together rather than your own mind putting them together?
Because if your 'mind' is seeking what it wants, and God offers something we do not know we want or need and that works while what we want only leaves us wanting more. Then how is it all in our head if we we find contentment if we are not seeking it in what God is offering?
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RE: Ask, Seek, Knock
October 13, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Also, what's the difference between all this "contentment and peace" bilge and preaching? It's a fine line, I realise, however I feel there is a possibility if not an actuality of it being crossed somewhere hereabouts.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Ask, Seek, Knock
October 13, 2012 at 9:50 pm
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RE: Ask, Seek, Knock
October 13, 2012 at 10:21 pm
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(October 13, 2012 at 6:40 pm)Drich Wrote: [Because if your 'mind' is seeking what it wants, and God offers something we do not know we want or need and that works while what we want only leaves us wanting more. Then how is it all in our head if we we find contentment if we are not seeking it in what God is offering?
You find contentment because it is in your head. God somehow offers every theist exactly what they want because they can make up anything. If anything good happens in your life, it was god. Anything bad happens, well, he can't be expected to do everything, right? (Though there would be no way to distinguish between his doing it and it occuring due to ther factors.)
God offers us nothing. If god offered us something, then why doesn't he answer prayers? (And don't say because we are asking for something selfish; If I pray for the starving kids in Africa they will still be starving).
(October 13, 2012 at 12:40 am)Drich Wrote: Do you not know the story of God and Aberham? God was the God of the Jews. (the sons of Aberham) He did not care what the others did. Again not all who live are the 'sons' of God. Meaning God does not love everyone equally. There are even some He hates.
Uhh...Let's look at this again. "God was the god of the Jews"...
Now, what does that tell you? It tells you that the Jews worshiped him as their god. It does not explain why god offered Judaism to only a small portion of the world, and why he let them worship false gods for a long time before revealing himself. By your logic (and, in fact, from what I understand) god arbitrarily revealed himself to the Isrealites and helped them decimate the world in his name. Why them? Why didn't he show himself before paganism took hold? Or is it because he wouldn't have had a [weak] justification to spill some blood?
John Adams Wrote:The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.
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RE: Ask, Seek, Knock
October 13, 2012 at 11:04 pm
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RE: Ask, Seek, Knock
October 13, 2012 at 11:26 pm
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(October 12, 2012 at 12:38 am)Drich Wrote: Now would you do the same for someone elses bastard spawn who hates you undermines everything you do, who wishes ill on your family, curses your children personally, and leads others to do so as well? Would you risk your life for and provide for someone who has killed one of your kids? Would you consider this kid your son even after you look past all of the transgressions this bastard committed against you and your family (the death of your only son) And yet he still hated and lashed out at you every single chance he got?
Someone else's bastard son? So you are openly acknowledging that there are other fathers besides "The Father" from whom I might have issued. Good to know you're relaxing that monotheism bit, with the three headed god that is nowhere at all. Most confusing.
Oh, and in case you haven't been keeping up on current events, noone alive contributed materially to the death of your stick figure god. (Save, perhaps, the wandering Jew. Remember him? You cunts.)
Baka.
Anyway, I'm here on a different errand. I was told that someone needed their head separated from their shoulders. If somebody will point me in the right direction, I'll be on my way.
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RE: Ask, Seek, Knock
October 13, 2012 at 11:45 pm
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RE: Ask, Seek, Knock
October 13, 2012 at 11:47 pm
(October 13, 2012 at 11:26 pm)apophenia Wrote: Someone else's bastard son? So you are openly acknowledging that there are other fathers besides "The Father" from whom I might have issued. Yes, God is not the only one with horses in this race.
Quote: Good to know you're relaxing that monotheism bit, with the three headed god that is nowhere at all. Most confusing.
then ask a question from where your confusion stems.
Quote:Oh, and in case you haven't been keeping up on current events, noone alive contributed materially to the death of your stick figure god.
I know I did, and I know all other 'christians' would say they also had a stake in the death of Christ as well. thatjust leaves everyone else alive whether they are willing to admit it or not.
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RE: Ask, Seek, Knock
October 14, 2012 at 12:04 am
Quote:I know I did, and I know all other 'christians' would say they also had a stake in the death of Christ as well. thatjust leaves everyone else alive whether they are willing to admit it or not.
I had no stake in anything that happened 2,000 years before my birth.
Like the great Hitch said, if I'd been there at the time, I'd have felt the moral obligation to try to stop it.
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