Quote:So this is your method. When people disprove your arguments you declare their answers stupid and irrelevant. How logical.

Par for the course with these clowns.

Oh, and by the way:

Quote:Your Christian epistemolgy claims that a dead body came back to life. This isn't consistent with scientific evidence.

Prove me wrong.

(November 9, 2012 at 4:04 pm)Truth Matters Wrote: Rubbish! Every single bit of scientific and mathematical evidence (even proof) points to an absolute physical beginning. No scientific evidence whatsoever supports a physical Universe with no absolute beginning.

Ok so you completely missed (by that I mean didn't read) the evidence I did post, go back and look its quite cool.

Here are three options of the way the universe started.

http://io9.com/5881330/what-happened-bef...e-big-bang

Quote:It's time you guys dealt with the actual science - not the Naturalistic speculations of committed Atheists in science hoping to give some plausible deniability to the actual science.

Why do you equate atheism with science?
I don't believe in god coz its a silly idea. That is what makes me an atheist, science just happens to suport my view.

(November 10, 2012 at 2:09 am)Kirbmarc Wrote: Oh, and by the way:

Quote:Your Christian epistemolgy claims that a dead body came back to life. This isn't consistent with scientific evidence.

Prove me wrong.

Easy, All scientific laws contain ceteris paribus qualifiers. They presume what would happen naturally in a closed system with no external influence. Therefore, when God supernaturally intervenes, the Laws are not broken or violated.

You are proven wrong. Will you be honest enough to admit it?

Prove god exists or intervened. Otherwise shove your bible up your ass go suck Jesus cock.

(November 10, 2012 at 11:55 am)Truth Matters Wrote: Therefore, when God supernaturally intervenes, the Laws are not broken or violated.

Quote:All scientific laws contain ceteris paribus qualifiers. They presume what would happen naturally in a closed system with no external influence. Therefore, when God supernaturally intervenes, the Laws are not broken or violated.

Supernatural intervention breaks all scientific laws. Starting with the rule that if you interact with nature you are subject to natural laws.

(November 10, 2012 at 6:30 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(November 9, 2012 at 4:04 pm)Truth Matters Wrote: Rubbish! Every single bit of scientific and mathematical evidence (even proof) points to an absolute physical beginning. No scientific evidence whatsoever supports a physical Universe with no absolute beginning.

Ok so you completely missed (by that I mean didn't read) the evidence I did post, go back and look its quite cool.
Here are three options of the way the universe started.

http://io9.com/5881330/what-happened-bef...e-big-bang

No, I saw your cute little article. It barely scratched the surface of these models. Of course, the FATAL flaw they hide from you is that every single one of these contrived metaphysical speculations fail to comport with the proven science or Vilenkin's own (BGV Theorem). Not to mention they cancel each other out in the theoretical modeling. Mutiverse speculations gets stomped on by Penrose, who notes that our Universe would necessarily be smaller in any infinite ensemble. That alone, wipes the table of 90+ percent of these models - all based on Multiverse. Thermodynamic entropy eliminates any cyclical models. 'No boundaries' (Hawking) simply ignores Vilinkin's proof Theorem. None of these models have any validity or coherence. They all fail to validate even on the theoretical level. It would be nice if they included this nasty little fact. Of course, that wouldn't be consistent with their Atheistic narrative or agenda - the reason these models exist.

Quote:It's time you guys dealt with the actual science - not the Naturalistic speculations of committed Atheists in science hoping to give some plausible deniability to the actual science.

Why do you equate atheism with science?
I don't believe in god coz its a silly idea. That is what makes me an atheist, science just happens to suport my view.
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I don't equate Atheism with science. Atheists try to pull this nonsense of co-opting science. I refute this phony idea.

Science doesn't support your view. Atheists ignore the science and resort the the wild speculations of committed Naturalists to explain around the actual science. That's exactly what you have tried to do here.

Facts Matter.

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(November 10, 2012 at 12:01 pm)Chuck Wrote: Prove god exists or intervened. Otherwise shove your bible up your ass go suck Jesus cock.

I already provided many evidences and arguments to justify my belief.
You Atheists have 100% failed to provide any evidence or argument to justify your marginal belief position. Yet you blindly swallow Atheism and cling fervently to your belief without a shred of credible evidence or argument.

Prove me wrong! You can't!
Where is your evidence and arguments Atheist?

Quote:Prove me wrong! You can't!

Be more humble and learn to read.

(November 10, 2012 at 12:11 pm)Kirbmarc Wrote:

Quote:All scientific laws contain ceteris paribus qualifiers. They presume what would happen naturally in a closed system with no external influence. Therefore, when God supernaturally intervenes, the Laws are not broken or violated.

Supernatural intervention breaks all scientific laws. Starting with the rule that if you interact with nature you are subject to natural laws.

That's silly - and simply dishonest, You ignore the fact ceteris paribus is there for a reason.
Further, You have no basis to claim natural law would bind any transcendent metaphysical agency that has perfect prerogative over natural law and transcends our physical dimension. NATURAL law is binding on 'Natural' behavior, not supernatural.

If you won't be honest when proven wrong. I will call you on it.

You are in FACT proven wrong. You should be honest and admit it.

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(November 10, 2012 at 12:37 pm)Kirbmarc Wrote:

Quote:Prove me wrong! You can't!

Be more humble and learn to read.

What have I failed to read? You are skimming over powerful arguments that are successfully defended in world-class debates, the dismissing them with superficial handwaving.
Despite multiple written requests, you and your fellow Atheists have 100% failed to provide any evidence or arguments to justify your belief position. Not one of you can answer my arguments.
The best you offer is parsing and deflection.

If you Atheists were more truthful and intellectually honest - I'de stop being so aggressive exposing your intellectual dishonesty.