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IF GOD EXISTS, THEN HE CERTAINLY DOES NOT CARE FOR YOU AT ALL
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 RE: IF GOD EXISTS, THEN HE CERTAINLY DOES NOT CARE FOR YOU AT ALL
November 12, 2012 at 3:26 pm
(This post was last modified: November 12, 2012 at 3:27 pm by SpecUVdust.)
GC will ignore that fact that either god or satan CREATED evil ( according to the bible, not me) to admit either of these is to prove the bible wrong and he knows it
He may not admit it, but most do. WINNING 
Unfortunately, this usually leads to the 'free will' cop out. It goes something to the effect of "if you choose not to cure AIDS, then you indirectly are responsible for anyone who dies of it and you can't blame god for the suffering in the world" even though god chooses not to cure it as well. This usually leads to "god gave us reign of the world so he lets us have free will and do what we will with the earth" except, of course, for when he interferes wildly, like in the OT.
The real problem is the god created evil in humans. It was a rigged game from the start: god gave us 'free will' and then stacked the deck so we would choose in a way that he could punish us for. God knew we would fail, but he didn't simply let it happen, he made it impossible to not happen by deliberately pre-programming faulty morals into Adam and Eve.  (November 12, 2012 at 3:35 pm)Darkstar Wrote: ...deliberately pre-programming faulty morals into Adam and Eve..... They ate an apple for crying out loud ... if that is an immoral act i'm the personification of evil ... 
"Jesus is like an unpaid babysitter "
R. Gervais (November 12, 2012 at 3:43 pm)Kousbroek Wrote:(November 12, 2012 at 3:35 pm)Darkstar Wrote: ...deliberately pre-programming faulty morals into Adam and Eve..... Well, we technically don't know if it was an apple or not, but the point stands. God said not to eat it, and told them they would die if they did. God did not give them the ability to distinguish right from wrong, so they could only possibly work out things in a pragmatic sense. Once the snake removed any pragmatic reason to not eat the fruit, Adam and Eve would have no reason not to eat it. However, it wasn't an ordinary fruit; it was the fruit of knowledge of good and evil. This point is used to try to make their actions look worse, when in fact it abstains them from guilt. The fact that they did not even know what good and evil were before means they could not possibly know right from wrong before eating it. Why didn't god let them know right from wrong until it was too late? He was stacking the deck. John Adams Wrote:The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.  (November 12, 2012 at 3:01 pm)apophenia Wrote: I'm curious, how is it a double standard on the Christian's part to blame man, when the original story shows man is responsible. You do understand if you were to be tested on scripture as a subject, you would fail, do you not. It is the unbeliever who twist the story around to fit the evil mind of man, please do not think I'm saying you or anyone else here are evil all men have the propensity to be evil. Only those who do not like what they read or are told twist the Bible's stories around to blame God for their short comings.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
(November 12, 2012 at 5:22 pm)Godschild Wrote: Only those who do not like what they read or are told twist the Bible's stories around to blame God for their short comings. God built us with design flaws and we are to blame oursleves for them? A sad carpenter blames his tools, a sadder carpenter blames his finished product. RE: IF GOD EXISTS, THEN HE CERTAINLY DOES NOT CARE FOR YOU AT ALL
November 12, 2012 at 5:30 pm
(This post was last modified: November 12, 2012 at 5:35 pm by Godscreated.)
(November 12, 2012 at 8:40 am)SpecUVdust Wrote: Man did not make sin and evil, or he would be a creator. Man only "embraced" it. "Satan allowed evil to manifest in his heart." So by allowing it he had control. He created it. He is a creator What an odd and irresponsible thing to say, you disgrace all atheist in such a reply, you give God the credit for what man has done, you have betrayed your own cause. (November 12, 2012 at 5:24 pm)Darkstar Wrote:(November 12, 2012 at 5:22 pm)Godschild Wrote: Only those who do not like what they read or are told twist the Bible's stories around to blame God for their short comings. The most pitiful men do not take responsibility for their own actions, tell us how does it feel to be so pitiful.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
GC, are you a hate-filled, condescending, holier-than-thou arsehole in real life or is this just the image you want to project here?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
 RE: IF GOD EXISTS, THEN HE CERTAINLY DOES NOT CARE FOR YOU AT ALL
November 12, 2012 at 5:52 pm
(This post was last modified: November 12, 2012 at 5:53 pm by Norfolk And Chance.)
(November 12, 2012 at 5:30 pm)Godschild Wrote: The most pitiful men do not take responsibility for their own actions, tell us how does it feel to be so pitiful. You irritate me more than words can describe. I think I actually fucking hate you. That means your spreading the good news went badly wrong somewhere.
You are currently experiencing a lucky and very brief window of awareness, sandwiched in between two periods of timeless and utter nothingness. So why not make the most of it, and stop wasting your life away trying to convince other people that there is something else? The reality is obvious.
Re: the OP scenario: it should start with the person looking at nothing, and deciding whether to create ants and a world for them to live in in the first place.
Re: fear. The Bible says that fear of god is the beginning of wisdom. Some Christians say this isn't fear per se, but rather respect. As there's a word for respect (uh, respect) and most translations say fear, I go with fear. And why not? Makes sense to me. Note further that it says fear is the beginning of wisdom, i.e. the believer need not continue in fear forever, but should move on to love. Re: POE. Read Romans 9. 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor? 22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? |
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