(November 26, 2012 at 1:51 am)Daniel Wrote:

(November 25, 2012 at 11:38 pm)Chas Wrote: It is neither mine nor a theory. These are facts discovered by good Biblical scholarship.

Did I say it's yours? Do you really think that Ehrman discovered that we don't have any original manuscripts???? That's never been in question. So much for your much valued "facts".

Yes, actually, you did. You said "Your theory is nothing new."

So, you haven't looked at the evidence.

Daniel's POV:
- homosexual sex and relationships is a sin.

This one I got mostly from Drich, but I guess Daniel is ok with it too:
- definition of sin: Anything that goes against god's "explicit" desires/wishes for the human race.

pocaraca's explanation: "explicit" meaning written in the bible, mostly NT, but every now and then, you can pick and choose some very particular things of the OT. So homosexuality is not desired by this god thing, and it ultimately punishes people who indulge in this behavior.

Clearly, this concept of sin intertwines with the perception of the common people at the time of such behavior as bad and obviously counter-producent in biological terms.
It's a bit like sexual relations between siblings. The collective knowledge of the people has observed that these relations have a higher probability of yielding defective humans.
Homosexual relations yield no humans at all. An obvious no-no, when you want to occupy a lot of land.

(November 26, 2012 at 3:57 am)Waratah Wrote: A married homosexual couple having sex is wrong?

(November 21, 2012 at 9:36 am)Daniel Wrote: YES HOMOSEXUAL SEX AND RELATIONSHIPS IS A SIN

You didn't answer the question you were asked.

We know it's a sin. That does not mean it is wrong, it only means that for completely arbitrary reasons, God doesn't like it.

But, since we all know some of the things God really does love (say hello to the rape-slaves, Daniel), we can draw the obvious conclusion that sin ≠ wrong, and certainly vice versa.

(November 26, 2012 at 9:41 am)Ryantology Wrote:

(November 26, 2012 at 3:57 am)Waratah Wrote: A married homosexual couple having sex is wrong?

(November 21, 2012 at 9:36 am)Daniel Wrote: YES HOMOSEXUAL SEX AND RELATIONSHIPS IS A SIN

You didn't answer the question you were asked.

We know it's a sin. That does not mean it is wrong, it only means that for completely arbitrary reasons, God doesn't like it.

But, since we all know some of the things God really does love (say hello to the rape-slaves, Daniel), we can draw the obvious conclusion that sin ≠ wrong, and certainly vice versa.

I think Daniel might be trying to say (or perhaps avoid saying) that gay marriage is wrong because gay is wrong. An imperfection has slipped into creation. Men love men, women love women and God does not approve. It must be tough being a dutiful child of an irrational God.

If you don't believe in a God, I don't think it matters whether homosexuals are discriminated against or not.

I see no reason to wage a war on anyone's behalf. Let them take care of themselves.

(November 26, 2012 at 11:18 am)whateverist Wrote: I think Daniel might be trying to say (or perhaps avoid saying) that gay marriage is wrong because gay is wrong. An imperfection has slipped into creation. Men love men, women love women and God does not approve. It must be tough being a dutiful child of an irrational God.

Well. One can argue that since this "homosexuality" is a sin to xtians then xtians are right in not practising it.... glich comes when more and more xtians are finding that they ARE homosexual.

So Daniel, just as well YOU are NOT homosexual...you aren't are you?

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Could someone PLEASE explain to me why the abrahamic religions are so obsessed with peoples' sex lives??

(November 27, 2012 at 1:11 am)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: If you don't believe in a God, I don't think it matters whether ...

Sure sounds like this believing in God stuff is pretty important for a lot of the things we all hold near and dear. Maybe we should reconsider this faith stuff, huh Vinny?

For Vinny and his god

(November 27, 2012 at 1:16 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Could someone PLEASE explain to me why the abrahamic religions are so obsessed with peoples' sex lives??

If I was more of a cynic, I'd probably suggest that they were set up by sad little men desperate for some feeling of influence and importance in their society, jealous of other peoples' sex lives because they themselves couldn't get any. If I was more of a cynic.

(November 27, 2012 at 1:34 am)Stimbo Wrote:

(November 27, 2012 at 1:16 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Could someone PLEASE explain to me why the abrahamic religions are so obsessed with peoples' sex lives??

If I was more of a cynic, I'd probably suggest that they were set up by sad little men desperate for some feeling of influence and importance in their society, jealous of other peoples' sex lives because they themselves couldn't get any. If I was more of a cynic.

That could go a long way to explain the paedophilia issue within the very same religions.