Drich opens thread on the subject of avoiding questions
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(November 28, 2012 at 4:47 pm)Darkstar Wrote:

(November 28, 2012 at 4:45 pm)Drich Wrote: Minnie can answer this one. It usally starts with F-God, or F-Jesus or F- something along those lines, and continues that pattern throughout the whole thread..

But apparently F-the holy spirit doesn't count for some reason...or so I have been told (by you? I'm not sure).

We have been given an example of Blasphemeing the Holy spirit and no that was not it.

(November 28, 2012 at 5:50 pm)Drich Wrote: My 'answer' was to show you that God is the standard in which 'Right' is established. Meaning if your understanding of 'right' varies from what God has established then it is not God who is the monster. It is you, but as you said all you could see was an appeal to might because that what you already understood god to be.

So you support slavery then? How about killing entire towns of people if the majority religion differed from your own?

Drich Wrote:Do you think the world stupid, and you some sort of exception to the rule? The reason belief persists is because people through christ interact with God everyday. I will grant you that there are those who pretend and say one thing and do another, but all in all. Christianity would have died out like every other religion if God was not apart of it.

History of Hinduism

wikipedia Wrote:Hinduism is a term for a wide variety of related religious traditions native to India.[1] Historically, it encompasses the development of Religion in India since the Iron Age traditions, which in turn stretch back to the prehistoric religions such as that of the Bronze Age Indus Valley Civilization followed by the Iron Age Vedic religion[citation needed].

Hinduism

wikipedia Wrote:The earliest evidence for prehistoric religion in India date back to the late Neolithic in the early Harappan period (5500–2600 BCE).

You're right, god is apart of it, seeing as he's not real. Funny, how you claim that every other religion has died off. I assume you mean every older religion, but even in that you would be incorrect.

Drich Wrote:Another example of flawed reasoning.
In short form; God gave us choice, but the very act of choosing disqualified us from being with God. Then he provided attonement so all that is left is the choice we made in this life.

God wrote the rules that disqualified us. He also punished us for breaking the rules that he knew were impossibl not to break, and allowed things like slavery to slip by in order to focus on more important moral transgressions, like picking up sticks on a Sunday, for instance.

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Quote:No sane person would willingly worship a God like that, this is why the bulk of his followers have redefined him so that he has the best of human qualities.

I disagree, God has been redefined so people who have their own Ideas of what God is supposed to be do not have to give up everything they think they know inorder to serve God.

Redefining god does not change the original definition. Of course, people may redefine him all they like, seeing as they will never find a compelling reason to correct themselves. Why pick another religion to make you feel better when you can just bend this one?

Drich Wrote:Not true. I've been to the gates of Hell and seen what can be done and know the pain we are slated for. I do not worship god because i fear Him I worship God because He showed me the boundless Love He offers all of us.

This 'love' is really just abscence of hate. Isn't that how psychological abuse works? Trick them into thinking not hurting = loving? Also, anyone could claim they have been to the gates of anything (presuming you are using a metaphor), but a dream is pretty weak evidence.

Drich Wrote:Fear is only the beginning of wisdom/knoweledge of God. It is NOT the reason we love and worship Him. Meaning we may start out in fear, but God will take our hands and show us their is nothing to be afraid of.

If you do everything he tells you to, no matter how horrific.

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(November 28, 2012 at 6:33 pm)Drich Wrote: We have been given an example of Blasphemeing the Holy spirit and no that was not it.

Where did it say that was the only way to blaspheme the holy spirit?

(November 28, 2012 at 6:31 pm)Drich Wrote: Again I can not speak for everyone. I am not saying this is the case but some do avoid questions. As we are only ever called to 'testify' on behalf of what we know there is nothing wrong with not giving an answer if one simply can not answer it.

That said i would be glad to take a stab at it if you are willing to re-post the question for me. or better yet send me a link to the right thread so I can answer it there.

You can if you like, as a bit of subsidiary opinion such information is always valuable. I feel the question deserves a more pertinent response from the individual who first caused me to ask it, given the context, but feel free. The links are in the quote. I wouldn't say the answer was unforthcoming because the question was too difficult; the desperate gymnastics that ensued demonstrated that.

(November 28, 2012 at 4:52 pm)Rhythm Wrote:

Quote:You know how tiring it would be for me to be wrathful to everyone who doesn't seek my love...for whatever reason?

Then it is a good thing you are not God, for Heaven and Hell would look alot alike. (not a good thing)

Quote: Beyond just being tiring...it would be more than a little warped. What's all this bullshit about gods wrath anyway..have the sermons changed tune over the last few weeks at your church? Awhile ago I was treated to a nice peaceful separation from your knock-off deity...but now I'm rotting.,.and there's wrath.....the worm has turned Drich.

Even if Hell was only the size of texas it still would be a big place. The scenery changes in Big places the deeper you go.

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(November 28, 2012 at 4:55 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Love is a choice? Is that a pearl? If it is, I think I'll hold out for the genuine article, rather than your imitation ones.

Love is a choice. Or do you love everyone the same? Do you Love God? In that arguement if we had the ablity to choose who we loved then why wouldn't God choose who He wanted to show Love?

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(November 28, 2012 at 4:55 pm)Darkstar Wrote: [quote='Drich' pid='367257' dateline='1354135888']
Love is a choice. Love can be selective. God shows boundless love to those who seek it. For those who do not, will know God's wrath.

So it's either love or hate, no apathy?

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Their aren't any biblical examples of apathy from God that i know of.

it's an all or nothing deal.

(November 28, 2012 at 6:39 pm)Drich Wrote: Then it is a good thing you are not God, for Heaven and Hell would look alot alike. (not a good thing)

If by "alike" you mean two places run by a person not interested in wrath on those who do not seek it's love...then yeah, they'd be alike. Why wouldn't that be a good thing?

Quote:Even if Hell was only the size of texas it still would be a big place. The scenery changes in Big places the deeper you go.

Who's talking about scenery? I'm talking about your bullshit. You didn't feel confident with an interpretation of hell once upon a time (and trust me...I sympathize) but now it's starting to bend that way. Who gives a shit how big it is? What would it's size have to do with how you've altered your description of it in our conversations? Are we flirting with dantes levels of hell now? At first I just seemed like a guy who would be "separated"...but now you're sure I'll be getting some wrath and rotting in some deeper inner circle?

(wtf is "size" supposed to mean in the context of an immaterial place to begin with...godammnit Drich...think this shit through before you offer it up - because you should know by now that I will.....if you fail to even make the attempt)

(November 28, 2012 at 5:28 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Honest question Drich....have you ever felt that I'm offering criticism of someone else's god when I speak to you?....if so..in what way have a failed to stress that I'm criticizing your god? I'd like to know, so I can make my criticisms more explicit.

Ahh, an open invite to be critical of one of you...

In just about every incarnation of God you bring to the table, it stinks of your own personal theological understanding of God. It would be like if I were friends with a famous person, and you only knew him through TV or worse yet just through the tabloids, and then started asking me to acount for his actions on a tv show or if you were to ask why he dumped this girl and starting going out with a much hotter actress...

If you want to address my friend or my God then get to know him then formulate questions around actual characteristics and not the crap that you 'seen on TV'

(November 28, 2012 at 6:51 pm)Drich Wrote: Ahh, an open invite to be critical of one of you...

In just about every incarnation of God you bring to the table, it stinks of your own personal theological understanding of God. It would be like if I were friends with a famous person, and you only knew him through TV or worse yet just through the tabloids, and then started asking me to acount for his actions on a tv show or if you were to ask why he dumped this girl and starting going out with a much hotter actress...

If you want to address my friend or my God then get to know him then formulate questions around actual characteristics and not the crap that you 'seen on TV'

When have I brought a god to the table? I don't believe in them, what god would I bring? I criticize the god you bring. I don't know of any god through TV or Tabloids are anything like this.

I "know" it through you. How damning is that amigo?

(November 28, 2012 at 6:51 pm)Drich Wrote:

(November 28, 2012 at 5:28 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Honest question Drich....have you ever felt that I'm offering criticism of someone else's god when I speak to you?....if so..in what way have a failed to stress that I'm criticizing your god? I'd like to know, so I can make my criticisms more explicit.

Ahh, an open invite to be critical of one of you...

In just about every incarnation of God you bring to the table, it stinks of your own personal theological understanding of God. It would be like if I were friends with a famous person, and you only knew him through TV or worse yet just through the tabloids, and then started asking me to acount for his actions on a tv show or if you were to ask why he dumped this girl and starting going out with a much hotter actress...

If you want to address my friend or my God then get to know him then formulate questions around actual characteristics and not the crap that you 'seen on TV'

To use your own analogy, you correct me on all my misconceptions about your friend, but as it turns out, he's a much bigger dick than I had previously imagined. You then suggested that your friend wouldn't seem like such a dick if I changed my perception of what a dick is. So I did, and now Satan and I are the best of buddies. If it's good for the goose...

(November 28, 2012 at 6:51 pm)Drich Wrote: Ahh, an open invite to be critical of one of you...

In just about every incarnation of God you bring to the table, it stinks of your own personal theological understanding of God. It would be like if I were friends with a famous person, and you only knew him through TV or worse yet just through the tabloids, and then started asking me to acount for his actions on a tv show or if you were to ask why he dumped this girl and starting going out with a much hotter actress...

If you want to address my friend or my God then get to know him then formulate questions around actual characteristics and not the crap that you 'seen on TV'

Your celebrity analogy fails because I would then at least have a visual and be able to recognize the sound of the voice. Making a comparison to an imaginary friend would have been closer to the mark.