(January 6, 2013 at 12:50 pm)BGChuckLee Wrote: This is exactly why I don't like people taking my money, I don't want my stolen money to be auctioned by people in the first place.

That's a really...whats the word....ah yes....."special" way of looking at it.

Here's a lovely cat to look at.

(January 6, 2013 at 12:58 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(January 6, 2013 at 12:50 pm)BGChuckLee Wrote: This is exactly why I don't like people taking my money, I don't want my stolen money to be auctioned by people in the first place.

That's a really...whats the word....ah yes....."special" way of looking at it.

Here's a lovely cat to look at.

If my money is taken by force & the threat of imprisonment, then it is stolen- by definition. I don't want to support social programs. But I have to, so I don't get tazered and/or a swat team coming down on my crystal palace.

The same way a robber will threaten me with stabbing/being shot if I don't comply with his spending habits.

There's no difference really.

Quote:However, the electoral college also stipulates that every state gets 3 votes to start with. That meant that states with very low populations (i.e. Wyoming with its 576,412 people) have a more votes than they should have. Consequently, larger states have less votes than they should have. California has 55 electoral college votes. With its population of 38,041,430, it should actually have 65.

Absolutely right, Divi Tiberio. The whole principal of one man - one vote is stood on its head by that discrepancy. And, for that matter, by arbitrarily giving each state two senators no matter what the population.

This is another thing that the Founding Fathers did not foresee... along with the end of slavery, women voting, political parties and assault weapons. In retrospect, the FF did not do such a great job.

(January 5, 2013 at 10:29 am)A Theist Wrote: ...as was the case with G.W. Bush who lost the popular vote to Al Gore by over 500,000 votes, but still won the presidency....and to TSG who said, "Well, if Obama had lost it, you wouldn't have heard the end of it,..."....the dems and leftist news outlets screamed bloody murder when Bush lost it, but was still elected POTUS.

Obama won both presidential elections by significant margins of both popular and electoral vote, and you regressives still bitch about how the non-existent ACORN "stole the election".

(January 6, 2013 at 1:00 pm)BGChuckLee Wrote: If my money is taken by force & the threat of imprisonment, then it is stolen- by definition. I don't want to support social programs. But I have to, so I don't get tazered and/or a swat team coming down on my crystal palace.

The same way a robber will threaten me with stabbing/being shot if I don't comply with his spending habits.

There's no difference really.

Welcome to living in a civilization.

My tax dollars pay for a lot of things I don't support. I think only those who voted for W Bush in 2004 should pay for the Iraq War but that's not how it works.

Civilization isn't a-la-carte. It's not like you get to walk down the buffet aisle and say, "Hm, I'll take some roads and bridges but not public schools, thank you." Nobody promised you pay-as-you-please.

Additionally, you didn't make your money by magical wealth generation. You made it because you live in a civilization that enabled you. You have roads and bridges you use to travel to work. You have police and fire fighters who protect your assets from harm. You may have employees who were educated by public schools. And you sell your products in a safe, maintained civilization.

I'm ashamed to say I once believed this Randian bs. I've grown up.

How odd that you would only list basic infrastructure, police, the fire department, and public education (and presumably military defense and the courts). I'd be very happy with just those! Not my ideal (especially public education), but I'd take it.

Quote:I don't want to support social programs.

Miserable little fucking prick, aren't you Chuckie?

Your alleged jesus was not so hard on the poor. Apparently, you are a piss-poor xtian, too.

This...

Quote:Matthew 25:34-36 Then the king will say to those at his right hand, "Come, you that are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you gave me clothing, I was sick and you took care of me, I was in prison and you visited me."

is bullshit but it is a damn sight better than you.

(January 6, 2013 at 7:45 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote:

(January 6, 2013 at 1:00 pm)BGChuckLee Wrote: If my money is taken by force & the threat of imprisonment, then it is stolen- by definition. I don't want to support social programs. But I have to, so I don't get tazered and/or a swat team coming down on my crystal palace.

The same way a robber will threaten me with stabbing/being shot if I don't comply with his spending habits.

There's no difference really.

Welcome to living in a civilization.

My tax dollars pay for a lot of things I don't support. I think only those who voted for W Bush in 2004 should pay for the Iraq War but that's not how it works.

Civilization isn't a-la-carte. It's not like you get to walk down the buffet aisle and say, "Hm, I'll take some roads and bridges but not public schools, thank you." Nobody promised you pay-as-you-please.

Additionally, you didn't make your money by magical wealth generation. You made it because you live in a civilization that enabled you. You have roads and bridges you use to travel to work. You have police and fire fighters who protect your assets from harm. You may have employees who were educated by public schools. And you sell your products in a safe, maintained civilization.

I'm ashamed to say I once believed this Randian bs. I've grown up.

So if I give you a pizza, that you may or may not of wanted, without ordering or asking for it- and then demand you pay. That would be considered 'civilisation'? I mean, what you have just said, is literally crazy.

(January 7, 2013 at 3:45 am)BGChuckLee Wrote:

(January 6, 2013 at 7:45 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: My tax dollars pay for a lot of things I don't support. I think only those who voted for W Bush in 2004 should pay for the Iraq War but that's not how it works.

Civilization isn't a-la-carte. It's not like you get to walk down the buffet aisle and say, "Hm, I'll take some roads and bridges but not public schools, thank you." Nobody promised you pay-as-you-please.

Additionally, you didn't make your money by magical wealth generation. You made it because you live in a civilization that enabled you. You have roads and bridges you use to travel to work. You have police and fire fighters who protect your assets from harm. You may have employees who were educated by public schools. And you sell your products in a safe, maintained civilization.

So if I give you a pizza, that you may or may not of wanted, without ordering or asking for it- and then demand you pay. That would be considered 'civilisation'? I mean, what you have just said, is literally crazy.

No, reducing DeistPaladin's point from the view that wealth generated requires a support network to appear in the first place to pizza delivery fraud and your apparent stated desire to not contribute to social programs (despite having benefited from them and other services) is "literally crazy".

Minimalist is right -- some "Christian" you are.

Social programmes business and conservatives don't benefit from (these are all socialist ideas):
Public Roads (which they use to move goods to market)
Public Schools (they don't have totally illiterate employees)
Military (defend their profits, or sell products to it)
Police (defend their property)
Fire Departments (save their property)
Emergency Rescue Squads (save themselves and their workers)
Food Inspection (prevents their poisoning)
Exploration Leases on Public Land (oil, gas, &c) (essentially free)
Corporate Welfare (oil companies, NASCAR, &c) (self-explanatory)
Food Stamps (that programme is to support farm and agribusiness prices, not the poor-pays out lots more to agribusiness-betcha didn't know that)
Veterans' Administration (provides care to veteran employees so they don't have to)
Free Speech and Press (lobbying, lawsuits, &c)
Gun Ownership Rights (conservatives are only interested in the military and police owning guns-not_
Addressing Grievances to Government (petitions, lobbying, lawsuits)
&c.
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The concept of things for all, regardless of whether you use them or not (such as college or a printing press in my case) are all socialist ideas.

In a purely capitalistic society, you would pay for those things. In a dictatorship or feudal state you would not have most of them.