(January 8, 2013 at 6:13 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: I'd like you to answer my question earlier. I want to understand you correctly. Is "socialism" anything short of Guilded Age capitalism?

(January 8, 2013 at 6:03 pm)BGChuckLee Wrote: So then, China doesn't want to business with America, Americans don't want to do business with Americans and now you really have destroyed production because the components used in building things are now 7x more expensive.

Savior of the poor!

Same doom and gloom was projected when Clinton raised taxes on the rich in 93. (sarcasm) That was a terrible decade for business.

Well, it was not terrible, but it did not go far enough. They had the dot com bubble, and wages during that time still stagnated and the pay gap between the top and bottom still went up. Manufacturing still was flying out the window and unions were still on the decline.

(January 8, 2013 at 6:28 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(January 8, 2013 at 6:13 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: I'd like you to answer my question earlier. I want to understand you correctly. Is "socialism" anything short of Guilded Age capitalism?


Same doom and gloom was projected when Clinton raised taxes on the rich in 93. (sarcasm) That was a terrible decade for business.

Well, it was not terrible, but it did not go far enough. They had the dot com bubble, and wages during that time still stagnated and the pay gap between the top and bottom still went up. Manufacturing still was flying out the window and unions were still on the decline.

No, that's not true. Stealing is wrong.

(January 8, 2013 at 6:35 pm)BGChuckLee Wrote:

(January 8, 2013 at 6:28 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Well, it was not terrible, but it did not go far enough. They had the dot com bubble, and wages during that time still stagnated and the pay gap between the top and bottom still went up. Manufacturing still was flying out the window and unions were still on the decline.

No, that's not true. Stealing is wrong.

Get this through your thick skull, it would ONLY be stealing if you did not have the right to vote. MY TAXES PAID FOR TWO WARS. MY TAXES PAID FOR THE BAIL OUTS. MY TAXES MAKE UP FOR EXXON AND GE NOT PAYING ANY TAXES.

Gadaffi was a billionaire. HE STOLE from his people and maintained his power through the use of his investments. THAT IS THEFT

Merely not getting what you want or having another driver in the seat that you didn't vote for IS NOT theft.

When you loose the right to vote then bitch. Lybia's people didn't have that right, you do. You just cant stand that I do. Grow the fuck up.

(January 8, 2013 at 6:44 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(January 8, 2013 at 6:35 pm)BGChuckLee Wrote: No, that's not true. Stealing is wrong.

Get this through your thick skull, it would ONLY be stealing if you did not have the right to vote. MY TAXES PAID FOR TWO WARS. MY TAXES PAID FOR THE BAIL OUTS. MY TAXES MAKE UP FOR EXXON AND GE NOT PAYING ANY TAXES.

Gadaffi was a billionaire. HE STOLE from his people and maintained his power through the use of his investments. THAT IS THEFT

Merely not getting what you want or having another driver in the seat that you didn't vote for IS NOT theft.

When you loose the right to vote then bitch. Lybia's people didn't have that right, you do. You just cant stand that I do. Grow the fuck up.

Should of gone out to one of those wars.

(January 7, 2013 at 2:47 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: But 1812 the Americans acheived NONE of their objectives and us brits stayed in Canada a draw at best for you.

Yeah, the burning of DC was pretty humiliating for us. That came back to bite you when a storm ravaged the British-occupied city and the rest of Europe denounced your actions.

Quote:And the US habit of turning up late for wars just when when only the crap and worn out soldiers are left to the germans is something to brag about?

We initially had no reason to fight in World War I. In World War II, you're wrong.

Quote:Anyhoo I think you'll find that the Russians won the war in europe and fear of the russians ended the war in the pacific.

We supplied the Russians with massive amounts of military resources. The war in the Pacific would have ended regardless. Russia had no feud with Japan until after Germany was defeated. The Japanese empire would have collapsed regardless of whether it controlled Manchuria or not.

(January 8, 2013 at 6:52 pm)BGChuckLee Wrote:

(January 8, 2013 at 6:44 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Get this through your thick skull, it would ONLY be stealing if you did not have the right to vote. MY TAXES PAID FOR TWO WARS. MY TAXES PAID FOR THE BAIL OUTS. MY TAXES MAKE UP FOR EXXON AND GE NOT PAYING ANY TAXES.

Gadaffi was a billionaire. HE STOLE from his people and maintained his power through the use of his investments. THAT IS THEFT

Merely not getting what you want or having another driver in the seat that you didn't vote for IS NOT theft.

When you loose the right to vote then bitch. Lybia's people didn't have that right, you do. You just cant stand that I do. Grow the fuck up.

Should of gone out to one of those wars.

Nope, never served a day. But I am quite sure say except for the likes of Bob Dole and John McCain, most lilly white right wingers are like Romney, you know what he did during Nam? Falsely used his religion to avoid service.

Now, if I was called to war, I wouldn't lie. I'd simply say, "You wouldn't want me out there, I'd panic and get someone killed". But that is not what he did.

I don't judge people for serving or not serving. I do however judge lying.

The Afgan war that atheist Pat Tillman served in and gave up a lucrative NFL career in and died in, I was for. Looking back at it now, If I had known the quagmire that Bush put us in, I would have said no, do what Clinton did in Bosnia and what Obama did with Libya.

But Iraq I was not for, and not even because I saw the way the other one was going at the time, but the lie everyone knew Bush was peddling.

And even Colon Powell says he was duped.

(January 8, 2013 at 7:02 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(January 8, 2013 at 6:52 pm)BGChuckLee Wrote: Should of gone out to one of those wars.

Nope, never served a day. But I am quite sure say except for the likes of Bob Dole and John McCain, most lilly white right wingers are like Romney, you know what he did during Nam? Falsely used his religion to avoid service.

Now, if I was called to war, I wouldn't lie. I'd simply say, "You wouldn't want me out there, I'd panic and get someone killed". But that is not what he did.

I don't judge people for serving or not serving. I do however judge lying.

The Afgan war that atheist Pat Tillman served in and gave up a lucrative NFL career in and died in, I was for. Looking back at it now, If I had known the quagmire that Bush put us in, I would have said no, do what Clinton did in Bosnia and what Obama did with Libya.

But Iraq I was not for, and not even because I saw the way the other one was going at the time, but the lie everyone knew Bush was peddling.

And even Colon Powell says he was duped.

No, I mean- you would be better off not existing. It would make the world better for me and my future children.

(January 8, 2013 at 7:06 pm)BGChuckLee Wrote: No, I mean- you would be better off not existing. It would make the world better for me and my future children.

What a wonderful ad hominem!

(January 8, 2013 at 7:06 pm)BGChuckLee Wrote:

(January 8, 2013 at 7:02 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Nope, never served a day. But I am quite sure say except for the likes of Bob Dole and John McCain, most lilly white right wingers are like Romney, you know what he did during Nam? Falsely used his religion to avoid service.

Now, if I was called to war, I wouldn't lie. I'd simply say, "You wouldn't want me out there, I'd panic and get someone killed". But that is not what he did.

I don't judge people for serving or not serving. I do however judge lying.

The Afgan war that atheist Pat Tillman served in and gave up a lucrative NFL career in and died in, I was for. Looking back at it now, If I had known the quagmire that Bush put us in, I would have said no, do what Clinton did in Bosnia and what Obama did with Libya.

But Iraq I was not for, and not even because I saw the way the other one was going at the time, but the lie everyone knew Bush was peddling.

And even Colon Powell says he was duped.

No, I mean- you would be better off not existing. It would make the world better for me and my future children.

Is that some of that world famous "Christian love" I am always hearing about? Well see, I work with Christians of all kinds and my mother is a Catholic, but I am quite sure they are glad I exist, so I guess this is just another case of sour grapes on your part.

Oh and I will certainly bet your future children will grow up in a less bigoted world and will learn quickly what a narrow minded jackass they'd have for a father.

I can see you now "Vote Libertarian our you are out of the house"

"Don't talk to atheists I will disown you"

"Forget I said I was bisexual, hate transexuals or I will disown you"

Humn, Taliban sound like that too.

(January 8, 2013 at 7:23 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(January 8, 2013 at 7:06 pm)BGChuckLee Wrote: No, I mean- you would be better off not existing. It would make the world better for me and my future children.

Is that some of that world famous "Christian love" I am always hearing about? Well see, I work with Christians of all kinds and my mother is a Catholic, but I am quite sure they are glad I exist, so I guess this is just another case of sour grapes on your part.

Oh and I will certainly bet your future children will grow up in a less bigoted world and will learn quickly what a narrow minded jackass they'd have for a father.

I can see you now "Vote Libertarian our you are out of the house"

"Don't talk to atheists I will disown you"

"Forget I said I was bisexual, hate transexuals or I will disown you"

Humn, Taliban sound like that too.

I have to be honest with you, from what you have said to me- I kind of hate you.