For what it's worth, the subject of incestuous marriage is relevant to the topic at hand.
It exposes the hypocrisy of those who would support gay marriage yet are "offended" by the thought of an incestuous marriage...
One must support equal rights for ALL or one must admit they wish to impose their own restrictions.
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(January 18, 2013 at 1:35 pm)catfish Wrote: For what it's worth, the subject of incestuous marriage is relevant to the topic at hand.
It exposes the hypocrisy of those who would support gay marriage yet are "offended" by the thought of an incestuous marriage...
One must support equal rights for ALL or one must admit they wish to impose their own restrictions.
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For the record I don't give a damn who's fucking who assuming they are able to consent. Although closely related people should be aware of the risks.

(January 18, 2013 at 1:41 pm)Insanity x Wrote:

(January 18, 2013 at 1:35 pm)catfish Wrote: For what it's worth, the subject of incestuous marriage is relevant to the topic at hand.
It exposes the hypocrisy of those who would support gay marriage yet are "offended" by the thought of an incestuous marriage...
One must support equal rights for ALL or one must admit they wish to impose their own restrictions.
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For the record I don't give a damn who's fucking who assuming they are able to consent. Although closely related people should be aware of the risks.

I agree to a point...
From your answer above, do you not support the rights of the mentally handicapped to marry? What about the rights of a 14 year old to marry who they chose?
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(January 18, 2013 at 1:50 pm)catfish Wrote: I agree to a point...
From your answer above, do you not support the rights of the mentally handicapped to marry? What about the rights of a 14 year old to marry who they chose?
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I see what you are getting at but it is a matter of where you draw the line of who can and can't consent. To be honest I don't know where they should be drawn. The whole idea behind consent is to protect vulnerable people in society. The whole idea of marriage is daft anyway.

(January 18, 2013 at 1:50 pm)catfish Wrote:

(January 18, 2013 at 1:41 pm)Insanity x Wrote: For the record I don't give a damn who's fucking who assuming they are able to consent. Although closely related people should be aware of the risks.

I agree to a point...
From your answer above, do you not support the rights of the mentally handicapped to marry? What about the rights of a 14 year old to marry who they chose?
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Do you support the right of a 14 year old to fly a 747 if they want to?

Then your rather stupid equivocation is invalid.

And this all rather beside the point since I was calling Daniel on his hypocritical statement that he doesn't treat gays differently when he clearly does.

(January 18, 2013 at 10:16 pm)Zen Badger Wrote:

(January 18, 2013 at 1:50 pm)catfish Wrote: I agree to a point...
From your answer above, do you not support the rights of the mentally handicapped to marry? What about the rights of a 14 year old to marry who they chose?
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Do you support the right of a 14 year old to fly a 747 if they want to?

Then your rather stupid equivocation is invalid.

And this all rather beside the point since I was calling Daniel on his hypocritical statement that he doesn't treat gays differently when he clearly does.

The stupid equivocation is yours by bringing up piloting a 747 in a discussion of marriage between varying peoples...
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(January 18, 2013 at 10:16 pm)Zen Badger Wrote: Do you support the right of a 14 year old to fly a 747 if they want to?

I used to do that on flight simulator all the time. My only problem was when it started making beeping sounds and saying "Stall, stall, stall!" then I would just mess with all the switches until it shut up. Of course that would occasionally send me into a nosedive but that was only every now and then. Come to think of it I'm not sure if I ever successfully landed on that game..

(January 19, 2013 at 5:37 am)Aractus Wrote: OK, based on your responses, where you CLEARLY equated consensual incestuous relationships with paedophilia, bestiality and gang rape of your own free accord (you were not coerced into this), I have the following comments.

Uh, I think he was actually pointing out that the "are you in favor of incestuous marriages too?" is a pretty standard homophobic canard used in the gay marriage argument, just as- yes- beastiality, pedophilia and gang rape are. And like the incest point, none of them have anything to do with the argument at hand.

Your other questions are... interesting. Most of the early ones can be answered simply by pointing out that even an atheist "subjective" morality isn't based on public opinion. The others are just... well, I have some free-minded attitudes toward sex, so I don't really see a lot of them as issues, so long as everything is ethical.

But then, I don't think you really care about that.